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Why is it basically only the EU that seems to have an interest in preventing shitty business practices.

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Because the US is controlled by corporations

Asia for the most part doesn’t care

Australia is run by right wing nut jobs

New Zealand is quiet so they probably do do something like this but we haven’t heard about it.

Japan is Japan. Civil rights isn’t really a thing.

And China and Russia love invasion of privacy it’s basically the entire basis of their countries.

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Well actshually… Australia used to be run by right-wing nutjobs. The current mob in power are centrist nut jobs.

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The power behind the throne in Australia is still right wing nut jobs and corporations

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I’m really curious (as I’m not living there) what the difference is. Is it just their religious tendencies? Or is it their feelings towards the nebulous “other” that defines them?

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I am generally curious what you mean by centrist nut jobs? The whole point of the centre is to be somewhere in the middle and therefore the best of both worlds that everyone has something in common with as far as I’m concerned

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You forgot Africa, South America, Canada, Greenland(?).

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Greenland is a part of Denmark so in the EU

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Africa is still developing so data privacy is the least of their concerns. They’re focusing on creating stable corruption free governments that don’t undergo a coup or civil war every 5 years, and having a hell of a time with that.

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I would like to point the RWNJs finally got voted out in Oz last year (federal and most states). Of course Murdoch and co. are working hard to reverse that, but semi sane leadership is in place for at least a year or two more.

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2 points

As with most things in the US, California has similar laws to the gdpr (though admittedly not as powerful), so a lot of websites are starting to change a bit in the US because of california.

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China and Russia are dictatorships meaning they do whatever the fucknthey like and if you don’t like it you might become suicidal.

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Moatly about capitalism i think. If you put on privacy restrictions, you are regulating the market, while capitalism believes that the market should regulate itself, and customers will simply stop using those websites/softwares overtime if its too bad. I find this completely delusional in the era of mega corporations, but thats the capitalistic aproach to this.

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capitalism believes that the market should regulate itself

Anarcho-capitalism ⊊ capitalism.

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EU is capitalist, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Maybe you’re just another person blaming everything on capitalism because that’s easier than understanding the actual problems. Might as well blame it on the prevalent system.

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Im not exactly against capitalism, but i do think that a hardcore capitalistic aproach such as the one in the US has many downsides.

Please try not to throw insults or mean assumptions. We are here to discuss.

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The EU is a social market economy. It currently slants more capitalist but nothing whatsoever stops member states from taxing the hell out of billionaires shifting it more towards market socialism.

What really doesn’t fly in the EU is the free market <-> unregulated market equivocation that peddlers of institutional market failure enjoy so much. The free market model relies on perfectly rational actors acting on perfect information, in the real world you need regulation to approach that ideal. If you want to see actually unregulated markets have a look at black ones where there’s not even regulations against offers you can’t refuse.

And that’s why the EU is legislating things like caps having to stay attached to plastic bottles: Because not doing it would allow companies to continue to externalise microplastic problems they generate and, innovation costing money, they wouldn’t do it on their own (the new caps aren’t even more expensive per piece it’s just some R&D and very small changes to bottling machines.)

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Because they listen to people rather than ignore them and then make policy based on how much money they can make from the deal.

This shows me the EU is actually more democratic then the US is.

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It’s much harder to pay off the lawmakers to keep the status quo when the economic area is controlled by dozens of individual governments.

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This is actually a particularly important point. The nature of the EU is laden with bureaucracy. Combined with the wide range of cultures, and the rotation of staff, it makes bribing enough people to get your way difficult. You end up needing people in multiple countries to deal with it, and the rotations make long term deals difficult.

The end result is that bribing EU bureaucracy is like trying to stop a river with just hands. It’s far less effective, letting the EU be a lot more effective (if slow).

There’s a reason so many big business interests want to break up the EU.

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Shouldn’t it be the same in the US with state and federal governments?

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Brazil also has a similar law called LGPD, I think it was made based on European GDPR

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Actually, and I’m quite proud of this, the LGPD was already being discussed before the EU’s GDPR. It may not look like it, but Brazil is at the forefront of digital protection and privacy.

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Because they can’t do whatever they want here

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Yah, I just get Google to block these sites from ever being recommended again.

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Is bribery political donations not a thing in Europe?

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