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I don’t understand why milk is avoided. You are not necessarily harming the animal.

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I will happily drink any woman’s milk if she’s offering, but it’s actually extremely weird that y’all steal cow milk.

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I think it’s extremely weird that you would happily drink any woman’s milk.

But it is MUCH less weird than drinking bovine lactate and somatic cells.

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I’ve gotten in so many heated debate on that one, as someone who grew up on a dairy farm. People see the gross factory farms in the US and get incredibly offended at me “lying” by claiming that plenty of farms are not like that, and it just comes down to ethical sourcing.

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I’m not sure there is anything ethical about forcefully impregnating female cows for our gain.

Just think if we thought doing so was ethical for humans. Rape, the sex slave trade, etc. would be morally acceptable.

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They’re animals. Artificial insemination is no more or less rape than any other means of reproduction. Bulls don’t exactly get consent, or give a shit if the cow is actively resisting for that matter. This is an instance where nature is more fucked up than what happens on farms, not less.

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Maybe not necessarily the dairy cow herself, but she needs to be pregnant about once per year so she doesn’t stop producing milk. That means that the calves inevitably need to be slaughtered (as well as older dairy cows) or else the herd would keep growing year after year.

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Never mind the practices that go into ensuring that they become pregnant.

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Not to mention the mothers are distressed that their babies have been taken away from them. It’s heartbreaking to hear them screaming when they know another calf has be taken, and won’t come back.

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Exactly. If people reading this don’t see the moral disconnect here, think back to how the US administration handled the southern border and the influx of immigrants a few years ago. Children were taken from families without any regard for keeping said families together. It’s devastating no matter the species it happens to.

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I’m not a vegetarian, but I avoid lactose in general as my bowels get upset if I drink milk in excess. So it’s either buttermilk or some vegan alternative.

Oat milk is pretty good. Has its own distinct taste tho, it tastes a bit like a hazelnut flavored milk drink. Almond and soy milk are pretty nasty tho.

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