And a good example of how communes work in a small community. On a national scale however, they will always fail as long as they are controlled by fallible humans. Once the AI overlords are in charge, I’m sure it will work out fine.
Yeah it doesn’t work because resources are scarce. Then on a national scale only a few people have control over these scarce national resources. Which gives these people too much power. And often the people in control are sociopaths especially if they came in to power via a revolution aka a violent coup.
Then on a national scale only a few people have control over these scarce national resources.
Then you have failed to implement communism. Why are you only giving a few people access?
On a national scale however, they will always fail as long as they are controlled by fallible humans.
Do you have even a single example of socialism or communism failing without first being invaded?
EDIT: I’ll also add, post-1980 invasion is no longer necessary. Colonialism now happens economically.
If communism falls apart every time something doesn’t go according to plan, then it’s not going to work.
something doesn’t go according to plan
That’s a fucking weird way to put it. This isn’t exactly falling at the first hurdle here.
Society isn’t a game of Civilization. If “your system can’t handle a military invasion while it’s in the process of being built” is a major fail to you, realise that reality isn’t about min maxing, and why the fuck are you taking outside invasion as a given? Why are you not condemning the US for invading them at their weakest point, the military equivalent of dropkicking an infant, and are instead deriding the invaded for not being able to put up a better fight?
It’s less about the fallibility of humans, and more mathematical than that. A person ability to acquire wealth is proportional to the current wealth they have. (And I’m not just talking about money, I’m taking about resources and power) As a result, those with a tendency to act nastier have an advantage in gaining wealth. This same issue is present in a communist economy, because while communism eschues the concept of money, it does not reject the idea of unequal power. Even some super intelligent AI wouldn’t be able to fix this, as long as it was forced to give humanity basic freedoms and follow communist ideals.
Honestly, this whole communism vs capitalism debate is beneficial to the powers that be, since neither system actually tries to prevent the acquisition of power or the abuse of it.
because while communism eschues the concept of money, it does not reject the idea of unequal power.
What?
Communism = moneyless, classless, stateless society.
I mean… Communism does. It acknowledges that unequal means leads to unequal outcomes. A thing that Capitalism can’t admit or it would breakdown the whole system, since it requires a quietly aspirational, weak lower class to function.
If we’re talking Marxist-Leninism, that’s a different subject.
That’s the part that too many people don’t get. Communes and co-ops can work great in small communities, but they have NEVER worked, and WILL never work for a large country. There are some things that are scalable and some things that aren’t. Communism is a perfect example of a system that isn’t scalable.
I love how you completely ignore why they didn’t work, namely existing as islands in a capitalism ocean, and capitalism doesn’t like competition.
Can you really not see how if everywhere was organised in small communities that then cooperated as needed on bigger issues at different scales could absolutely work (and was literally how humanity worked for like 99% of its existence), as long as there isn’t a massive greedy monster looming over trying to destroy it?
