China lab suspected of Covid leak stripped of US funding for violating biosafety rules(www.telegraph.co.uk)

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Oisteink@feddit.nl

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1 year ago

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27W1J2

There’s no similar tests done in China (that I can find traces of) so we have no idea when the virus started circulating in China. Just like Winnie the Poo likes it.

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deft@ttrpg.network

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1 year ago

“signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.”

they still suggest Chinese origin

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alternative_factor@kbin.social

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1 year ago

Yup, this idea only works if you believe what the CCP says verbatim.

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The Octonaut@mander.xyz

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1 year ago

Well, no, it’s not an “idea”. It just means there’s nothing special about Wuhan that should make us look at everything there as a suspect.

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alternative_factor@kbin.social

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1 year ago

You are wrong, the assumption of people who post this is that there wasn’t COVID-19 in China before the CCP announced it was around.

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The Octonaut@mander.xyz

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1 year ago

You’re the one making assumptions I’m afraid.

We don’t know where Covid-19 came from. That is the outcome. It quite well could have come from China. We have no idea. What we do know is that it didn’t spread globally from a wet market in Wuhan that happens to be near a virology research centre. Because that idea hangs entirely on it appearing there first in December.

Covid-19 could have started in China. Or Italy. Or anywhere. We don’t know, and as a species we seem to be very reluctant to find out - we’ve just accepted bat soup or bioterrorism and just moved on. Meaning that we’ve learned absolutely nothing to prevent it happening again.

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alternative_factor@kbin.social

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1 year ago

From the genetics of the virus we can tell it originally came from either Pangolins or species of bats which are local to Asia only, which is why the wet market hypothesis is so popular in the first place because the virus is 99% similar to that of one found in Chinese pangolins. The 1% genetic difference could come from a lab on accident, but that would most likely be from the Wuhan lab and not for Detrick because the Wuhan lab was in fact experimenting with Chinese bats.

EDIT for sources:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abh0117

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The Octonaut@mander.xyz

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1 year ago

Do you understand that still the leap from “It’s 99% similar to Chinese pangolin coronavirus” (and hey, you’re 99% similar to a Ugandan chimp) and “so the other 1% probably came from a lab in Wuhan”? Again, Wuhan is literally only linked to this story as the first place it was reported. No evidence at all places it in Wuhan first. We can say that’s a Chinese cover-up, but go ahead and say that, and recognise it as speculation.

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