AOC would not be a serious contender at all. She’s way too extreme. Nobody can win without centrist support at this point, and AOC is not capable of winning that.
Not to mention the hurdle of the first woman president on top of that. Not saying I agree with that being a hurdle of course, but in reality it is.
A career criminal (with chronically bad spray tan) and host of the apprentice managed to do it, and he thinks you need a license to buy bread. I think she could manage and for her to be the first woman president would actually be a meaningful harbinger of change.
I mean, at that time he wasn’t a criminal (at least publicly, we all know in hindsight he definitely was), but I honestly think the only reason Trump won was because he was running against such a hated person. Democrats made a massive misstep in rallying behind Hillary in that election, just like republicans are making a mistake rallying behind Trump in 2024.
But, that doesn’t mean that the moderate voter base isn’t important. That was the exception to the rule in my opinion.
Honestly, I don’t really like AOC. I agree with her a lot of the time, but I find her extremely disingenuous. How can you truly fight for the working class when you lived a life of extreme privilege? (EDIT: I was wrong about this. I either feel for misinformation, or misattributed something I heard about a different politician to her. Either way I was wrong.) She can get away with saying extreme things, because there’s zero risk for her. She has no actual power to act on what she says, and she knows her voter base will eat it up. That would change if she were to make a serious bid for the presidency, and I think like every politician she would compromise her “values” for more power in an instant.
lived a life of extreme privilege
What fucking propaganda have you been consuming? AOC lived a life of extreme privilege? Her father was an architect, she went to public school and was a bartender when she got elected, sounds pretty working class to me.
How can you truly fight for the working class when you lived a life of extreme privilege?
That’s ridiculous. Can someone not fight for LGBTQ rights of they aren’t part of the community? For POC rights if they aren’t POC? For women’s rights if they aren’t a woman?
They’ll run their media machine of slander on whoever happens to run. In a sense it’s largely up to the media how effective that is. I saw a recent polling graph on here showing the composition of the dem base. The progressive flank is lager than the liberal and moderate one combined now.
AOC is not a monolith, nor is she beyond corruption, but I think she has the education, youth and talent to lead a generation back into politics. I’m unsure how being a bartender in the Bronx to fund your house keeper mother is privilege or living with three other people in DC and shopping for bargain shoes, but perhaps I’m missing something there. Also, I think she has tons of risk. Specifically being primaried from within her own party or from people out to stalk her (which has happened) but OK.
Who would you like to see run for president that’s better?
Edited: said the same thing twice about polling, so deleted an instance.
I never understood the hatred for Hilary Clinton either. She may not have had the charisma we seem to elect these days but had a very effective organization. I believe she would have been quite effective
Was it for ACA? Was it being the first woman with a chance at President? The email thing and the Benghazi thing were mostly slander from the other party and would happen to any candidate.
Do you really think AOC could survive being tarred and feathered in this political environment, regardless of whether she deserved it?
Maybe next time around, when Caesar Trump is no longer a possibility and Rhonda Sanity has fallen apart
AOC would not be a serious contender at all. She’s way too extreme.
Extremism isn’t the problem. Having her name already turned into the GOP’s Pavlovian Minute of Hate is the problem.
They’re going to call everyone devils and light crosses on fire regardless of who is the nominee. They think fucking Biden is a socialist and that guys meal ticket his whole fucking life was being peak middle of the road NeoLib. Maybe them turning the insanity to ten is what’s needed regardless. In the same way the left flank gets stuck voting for Joe, the middle right can vote against a ranting lunatic saying to burn books and take away birth right citizenship. The die has been cast regardless, so having a strong, whip smart dynamic leader like AOC is genuinely the thing we need to beat these christofascists back into their holes. We can no longer try to placate these lunatics and run out the clock every election. They’ll stumble into success eventually if we keep ceding ground to the right.
Oh no, don’t get me wrong, my argument isn’t “We should compromise and go further right”, it’s more “If we can grab someone who hasn’t had a smear campaign run on them for half a decade, we should.” I’d love to see AOC in the White House, I just worry that the well has already been poisoned, so to speak, for half a decade now. She’s been the GOP boogeyman #1 for some time, and some of that soaks through to ‘centrist’ swing voters, unfortunately.
She’s not extreme. She’s a liberal woman who came from a blue collar background. That’s literally all it takes to not be a real contender right now.
Politically, she’s pretty moderate, like every other dem in congress.
I think what people are saying is that Democrats need a candidate that appeals to Republicans. She’s ‘extreme’ from the perspective of a Republican.
Biden is a milquetoast moderate democrat and the republicans think he’s radical.
If a democrat ran in a conservative platform they’d just shift further right and call that person a radical liberal.
I have to say I agree. I like most of her proposals and I’d probably vote for her but she’d bring out the crazies for Drump. We really need a centrist like Biden until the crazies crawl back into their holes
