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I mean, I don’t know their other practices, but the removal of the headphone jack is hardly green washing. I’d bet it actually is more sustainable to not include it tbh, plus it is likely more affordable. Beyond that, with just looking into it, as I expected, they’re a more sustainable and repairable set of headphones compared to the rest of the market. Moreover, I highly doubt dropping the jack would drive folks to decide to buy these if they weren’t already. They’re not tiny earbuds. They’re over the ear which is generally something folks buy when they actually are looking for them.

Sometimes accelerated progress can lead to waste, but holding onto legacy tech for too long can also lead to waste.

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The big issue with removing the headphones jack is just that it’s now impossible to use wired headphones while charging the phone.

For a lot of people that doesn’t matter but for some of us that’s a big deal. If they added a second USB-C port that would fix the issue.

But saying the 3.5 jack is legacy technology is also kinda wrong. A USB headset is not inherently better. You have to compare the digital audio converter that’s used. While USB headphones use their own dac, the jack uses the dac of the phone. So a cheap phone with high quality USB headphones will be better but a high quality phone with cheap USB headphones would be worse than using the jack.

Which even means jacks would be more sustainable because you only need one dac per phone rather than one per headphone.

And any form of wireless headphones are just inferior to wired connections.

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just carry an entire usb hub with you

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I didn’t say a USB headset is inherently better. The one on your phone isn’t inherently better either if you’re using a 3.5mm jack either. So the argument can work both ways. And to be honest, no phone really has amazing onboard DAC, and especially not the Fairphone.

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I’d bet it actually is more sustainable to not include it tbh, plus it is likely more affordable.

Mmm now you’re dealing with powered devices that have another two batteries that wear out, plus the battery in the charging case, all the electronics involved, etc etc

Vs a simple plastic connector and an associated amplifier IC that costs about $3 in quantity.

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You can still use a wired headset if you so wish with your $3 connector. But when someone wants wireless, it’s nice to have the option.

I don’t blame Fairphone trying to make their product less expensive to produce. It’s not like they’re the biggest sellers in the world or benefitting from economies of scale as much as other companies.

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It would be even more sustainable to not include the Bluetooth module. Less parts means less material use (making it greener) and less cost of materials as well (making it cheaper). The phone has speakers for audio anyway. Who wants to carry around some second accessory like headphones or earbuds? It’s not like anyone has a perfectly valid use case for the Bluetooth module, right?

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Also, it doesn’t feature a serial port. This phone is almost useless. /s

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You forgot PS/2. No one’s gonna use this USB thing, it sucks.

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Yeah I think so too

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