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  1. Environmental protection, LGBT and womens’ rights including bodily autonomy would be explicitly written into the constitution

  2. The 2nd amendment would be rewritten to protect the right to self defense not the right to own enough guns to start a war.

  3. Our first past the post voting system would be replaced with alternatives that do not degenerate into a 2 party system.

  4. The electoral college and senate would not exist. House representatives would be allocated based on population.

  5. Supreme court justices would no longer be lifetime appointments.

  6. If there is a minimum age to serve in government, there will be a maximum age as well.

  7. The US will be obligated to abide by promises and treaties made with Native Americans.

  8. The president is no longer required to have been born in the US. The requirement that the president be a natural born citizen was meant to prevent foreign powers from gaining control during a tumultuous time in US history that is no longer relevant.

  9. Slavery would no longer be allowed for any purpose. (Currently it is legal in many states as a punishment)

  10. A wall of separation between church and state as well as the right to privacy would be explicitly written into the constitution. (The right to privacy is implied but not explicitly stated)

  11. Qualified immunity for police and other monopolies of violence would be abolished.

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Is 8 really not relevant? Considering our 45th president?

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So I agree with all of these, but someone has to ask so it’ll be me:

Why abolish the senate? It was established to be opposite the house as a system where every state is represented equally. The concept of the senate guarantees a form of equality between Rhode Island and California, where in the house a vote that massively benefits California will inevitably drag lesser states with it by sheer population difference.

The reality is that the states are mostly independent entities with their own constitutions and governments. What’s good for California may not be good for Rhode Island, and it’s not very fair that you’d have to get the whole east coast on board to vote down an initiative championed by California alone.

I understand that the metaphor between California and Rhode Island isn’t a perfect one, its sole purpose is to illustrate the point.

Although not as important as population representation, locational representation still makes a ton of sense for a country as geographically big as the united states.

A purely population based government without locational representation on a federal level would likely tip the power of law to the 5% of US land mass occupied by cities, and end up having the other 95% eventually forced to follow laws that don’t make sense from a rural or suburban perspective.

So the senate does serve a purpose in that regard.

Now, on the other hand, I do think certain US territories should have seats in the house and senate.

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I dont think that all the states should be equal precisely because they have vastly different populations. People talk about how unfair it is for California or Texas to drag other states kicking and screaming wherever they feel like but the opposite side of that coin isnt really any more fair.

I do agree that large and small states may need to be governed differently but thats something that needs to be addressed in a more direct way not by tipping the scales in favor of states with more grain silos and cows than people. i.e ground rules need to be set about how and why laws are constructed. i.e the real issue that the senate doesnt actually solve, is that laws aren’t being rationally designed in a way that makes sense for the states that are subject to them. As long as that underlying issue isnt being directly addressed, the senate wont really fix things. And I would strongly argue that history proves that the senate is being used more as a political baseball bat than it is a tool of low population states to defend themselves.

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I do agree that large and small states may need to be governed differently but thats something that needs to be addressed in a more direct way not by tipping the scales in favor of states with more grain silos and cows than people

Yeah, sure, but the solution to that isn’t tipping the scales the other direction. Having the senate exist in the government as a check against the house is a measure to keep the scales from tipping in the first place. They already must work together to get anything done, and that means that the senate is just as beholden to the house as the house is to the senate. The proverbial scales will inevitably tip the other way if the legislative branch is reduced to just the house. If your goal is preventing the scales from tipping, that’s not how you do it.

I think what you’re really proposing is a restructuring of the legislative branch altogether, with maybe more law making power shifted to the states. Because just eliminating the senate and leaving the system how it is now would result in a heavily unbalanced legislature.

Anyway, nice discussing this with you. This isn’t an easy topic, for what it’s worth. It took a hundred men several months to hash out the details of what we’re casually sitting here discussing.

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Should we care about the states or the people in the states? There are less people in Rhode Island than California. Are those people so much more important that they get more representation, proportionally speaking?

People have locational representation in their local governments. Let them rule over themselves if you want, but don’t give them disproportionate authority over the rest of us.

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I chose to pose this hypothetical as a separate comment to better illustrate my point:

Why is it that proposing abolishing the senate only invokes the idea of stopping the minority from having authority over the majority and not the other way around? It needs to be said that the senate is just as much a check on the house as the house is the senate.

Let’s say the house is the only voting body of the legislature. What is to stop them from imposing a 50% tax on all states under a certain population limit, paid directly to the other states? Obviously this benefits large swaths of the population, so their representatives vote unanimously yes. Now it doesn’t matter how many representatives lower populated areas have because they will always be outnumbered.

So are you proposing that it’s fair for extortion to take place in that manner? Because without an equal vote to be able to defend themselves on a more level playing field, you’re inviting that kind of power imbalance.

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I understand that line of thinking, and you’d have a point if the senate could act alone. But the senate and the house have to agree on everything they pass, with very few exceptions. That means that the fact that Rhode Island gets an equal vote in the senate doesn’t actually matter if the majority of the population doesn’t want something anyway. In the same way that the majority population doesn’t matter if the individual governments can’t agree.

The people in Rhode Island don’t matter as much as the people in California for sheer numbers, and that is already reflected in the house. Seeking to abolish the senate isn’t an exercise in majority rule, it’s just disenfranchising the minorities that exist.

Edit to directly answer your question:

Should we care about the states or the people in the states?

We should care about both, given that we are a nation comprised of 51 smaller governments. It’s asinine to assert that those governments don’t matter on the federal scale. We have a system established already that cares about both. Axing the part of that system that keeps the most populous areas from getting everything they want is not the solution you think it is.

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Smaller states should have less of a say. I’m not sure how that seems unreasonable. The people should decide. It doesn’t matter what state they live in. It might have made sense 200 years ago but now I can’t believe people seriously support it.

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Smaller states do have less of a say. The house and senate have to work together. If the majority of people don’t want something, it still doesn’t happen. The purpose of the senate is to prevent the smaller states from getting no say.

It’s not that hard to understand.

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