Here’s the list of highlights from the article, as it’s a good TL;DR:
- The Reddit app-pocalyse is here: Apollo, Sync, and BaconReader go dark
- How Reddit crushed the biggest protest in its history
- Reddit will remove mods of private communities unless they reopen
- Reddit CEO Steve Huffman isn’t backing down: our full interview
- Why disabled users joined the Reddit blackout
- Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit — and why users revolted
- A developer says Reddit could charge him $20 million a year to keep his app working
so… nothing new?
Pretty much, but it’s useful to have such a summary to refer to. Specially in the future, as it’ll be harder and harder over time to remember what was going on in Reddit, and why so many people left it. And one of my objectives with this comm is to document what happened with Reddit, it would be great if we did the same when Digg went downhill.
I’ll tell you what happened with Digg:
- Kevin Rose swears he’ll listen to the community and not introduce a major overhaul which will bring several unpopular changes
- a month or so passes and Digg leadership thinks everyone is stupid and forgot
- Digg 4 launches and literally everyone leaves for reddit over the next couple of weeks.
- Fark and Slashdot collectively die laughing, then of being old curmudgeons
there, now you’re all caught up
You’re leaving out that Digg had been hemorrhaging users to Reddit for years due to better features and therefore better content. Diggv4 was just the final nail
there, now you’re all caught up
Note how your quick summary skips a lot of information and views, that give people context on what happened. For example:
- how power users were gaming the system, and that the userbase was already pissed, even before Digg v4;
- what’s wrong with Digg v4, and why users hated it so much;
- the pressures that caused v4 on first place;
- the state of Reddit (and Twitter, and Facebook) when the Digg exodus happened;
- how people organised that mass exodus off the platform;
- how the news back then covered Digg’s downfall;
- who’s Kevin Rose again? (I bet that plenty people don’t even know who Kevin Rose is, let alone his role on Digg.) etc.
And yet it’s unreasonable to expect anyone to remember everything about the events. And we [people in general] shouldn’t even trust anyone in specific to begin with, because everyone [including you and me] is a bit biased and will cherry-pick a few details and ignore others. For that we’d need a central repository documenting the downfall of Digg, preferably from multiple users’ PoVs. I think that this is important, because better knowledge of the past allows us to guide better our future actions.
Same deal here with Reddit.
Fark and Slashdot were always kinda centrally controlled. During the heyday of the internet frontier they were fresh and hilarious, but they never attracted younger people because it was just the same jokes over and over. And without building younger communities they died of irrelevance.
I haven’t been back. Once Baconreader went dark it’s been all fediverse all the time.
Here’s a discussion about this, showing comments statistics. One of the participants’ conclusion was that “they were right to just quell the protest and stay their course. People don’t care about having to use shitty software if that gets them their network effect back and spez can anger anyone on reddit without repercussions for reddit”.
I predict that the effect of the exodus will be felt in the longer term; most users might not give a fuck about the changes, but as the place becomes less manageable and the content quality drops down, they’ll start leaving. Sadly this means that the current investors will get pockets full of IPO money.
Not all that many actually. Even traffic itself has only gone down by ~7-14% iirc, and by some metrics it has actually gone UP since the start of the protests!
One main reason is that the technology here is not the same as there - this place does not give that feeling that “daddy will take care of you” that Reddit does. Server outages, constant errors in trying to access content, or vote, or follow someone, you actually have to read a manual to understand stuff, things don’t work so intuitively especially for those wanting an exact replacement (making a “post” won’t work as expected, for that you need a “thread”), and perhaps worst of all, there’s that initial hump of which instance to even sign up to in order to get started (after which it gets much easier, but I bet that legit turns people away). People keep saying that you can transfer over to a new place if you want to later, but that conveniently leaves out how that functionality does not exist yet. So like if you accidentally signed up to lemmy.ml not really how shitty it is and decided that you wanted to join kbin.social instead - kidding btw:-P - you’ll have to leave all the posts and comments and such behind.
We are early adopters here - we like this feeling of “newness” - but we should not delude ourselves: this place is not for everyone, not yet. (and it is an open question whether it should be made to be thus, even?)
Other reasons include people replacing & then deleting their accounts still counts as traffic, and all those pics of sexy John Olivier still count as “content” atm. People have not yet started to feel the burn of subs that no longer have moderators, or that have objectively shittier ones, and many are content to wait out the blackouts for those that are still down (like r/firefox - oh wait that’s back up now, though pointing people to come to kbin, leaving the Reddit community to discuss cute “red pandas” aka “fire foxes” going forward). Until people actually EXPERIENCE the consequences of Reddit’s decisions first-hand, it looks like many have just decided to stay put.
Also, I’m keeping my account there. I’ll check it <1 hr per week instead of multiple hours a day (as a former mod), but I will continue to check in on both, to help my small gaming community deal with this ongoing crisis. Sometimes people will say like “it sucks but what are you going to do?”. For them, again, Lemmy/Kbin is not close to being an option yet. Until apps get better - happening RIGHT NOW - and maybe when old-reddit is killed off too.