Here’s the list of highlights from the article, as it’s a good TL;DR:
- The Reddit app-pocalyse is here: Apollo, Sync, and BaconReader go dark
- How Reddit crushed the biggest protest in its history
- Reddit will remove mods of private communities unless they reopen
- Reddit CEO Steve Huffman isn’t backing down: our full interview
- Why disabled users joined the Reddit blackout
- Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit — and why users revolted
- A developer says Reddit could charge him $20 million a year to keep his app working
I haven’t been back. Once Baconreader went dark it’s been all fediverse all the time.
Here’s a discussion about this, showing comments statistics. One of the participants’ conclusion was that “they were right to just quell the protest and stay their course. People don’t care about having to use shitty software if that gets them their network effect back and spez can anger anyone on reddit without repercussions for reddit”.
I predict that the effect of the exodus will be felt in the longer term; most users might not give a fuck about the changes, but as the place becomes less manageable and the content quality drops down, they’ll start leaving. Sadly this means that the current investors will get pockets full of IPO money.
I am not sure they will leave even then. They are bored, wanting easy fulfillment, and even if every other post was an ad and every other commenter was a bot, still their lethargy may keep them there. And we must become okay with that, if that is what they desire.
I think that they might because even people with low standards would rather consume higher quality stuff. They probably rank content quality the same way as the others do; it’s just that their threshold for “unfit for human consumption” is rock bottom.
My go-to analogy for that is food. Would you be fine eating four days old stale bread? Plenty would say “it’s fine” - dip the murderously hard bun in some coffee to make it more palatable and move on. However, if you offer that person a sandwich - with good quality soft bread, a slice of meat that melts in your mouth, a bit of cheese, and just the right amount of relish - they’ll still devour it, regardless of their low standards. And if they know that they can consistently get that sandwich, they won’t consume the stale bread, even if they’d be otherwise OK doing it. (Perhaps they’ll even eat some stale bread again, after a few weeks, for the nostalgia factor. But then they’ll be back to sandwich-eating business.)
Transposing the analogy to this situation: they might be fine consuming post-appocalyptic Reddit content, but once it becomes stale enough, they’ll look for content elsewhere. And there’ll be always places with slightly less ads, slightly less bots, that quenches their boredom and fills their brain-stomachs.
Not all that many actually. Even traffic itself has only gone down by ~7-14% iirc, and by some metrics it has actually gone UP since the start of the protests!
One main reason is that the technology here is not the same as there - this place does not give that feeling that “daddy will take care of you” that Reddit does. Server outages, constant errors in trying to access content, or vote, or follow someone, you actually have to read a manual to understand stuff, things don’t work so intuitively especially for those wanting an exact replacement (making a “post” won’t work as expected, for that you need a “thread”), and perhaps worst of all, there’s that initial hump of which instance to even sign up to in order to get started (after which it gets much easier, but I bet that legit turns people away). People keep saying that you can transfer over to a new place if you want to later, but that conveniently leaves out how that functionality does not exist yet. So like if you accidentally signed up to lemmy.ml not really how shitty it is and decided that you wanted to join kbin.social instead - kidding btw:-P - you’ll have to leave all the posts and comments and such behind.
We are early adopters here - we like this feeling of “newness” - but we should not delude ourselves: this place is not for everyone, not yet. (and it is an open question whether it should be made to be thus, even?)
Other reasons include people replacing & then deleting their accounts still counts as traffic, and all those pics of sexy John Olivier still count as “content” atm. People have not yet started to feel the burn of subs that no longer have moderators, or that have objectively shittier ones, and many are content to wait out the blackouts for those that are still down (like r/firefox - oh wait that’s back up now, though pointing people to come to kbin, leaving the Reddit community to discuss cute “red pandas” aka “fire foxes” going forward). Until people actually EXPERIENCE the consequences of Reddit’s decisions first-hand, it looks like many have just decided to stay put.
Also, I’m keeping my account there. I’ll check it <1 hr per week instead of multiple hours a day (as a former mod), but I will continue to check in on both, to help my small gaming community deal with this ongoing crisis. Sometimes people will say like “it sucks but what are you going to do?”. For them, again, Lemmy/Kbin is not close to being an option yet. Until apps get better - happening RIGHT NOW - and maybe when old-reddit is killed off too.
Good write-up.
It took me a while until I got up to speed. The web ui was a lot easier to handle than old.reddit on a phone. Once I downloaded Liftoff, it was just like how Relay worked for me.
Yea, the content hasn’t hit a critical mass, but I like being an early adopter again. I’m just surprised how fast Lemmy is moving. I haven’t felt the need to really browse Reddit in almost a fortnight now. Still missing some things. But I have hope for this place.