The kind that thinks communism is the same as nazism and thinks communism is when the government does things.

I hate liberal brain worms.

They seriously do as much damage to the left as fascists by punching to the left and spreading capitalist anti-left propaganda. They overall weaken leftism and help fascism.

We need more left unity, folks. Fash ain’t gonna bash themselves.

You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments View context
2 points
*
Removed by mod
permalink
report
parent
reply

i’m no ML but anarchists should read the jakarta method.

anarchists should be able to see that cuba, china, vietnam, laos, and north korea are far preferable to american hegemony despite all their flaws, and that contextually an anarchist uprising in cuba would immediately cause the island to fall to imperialists. You don’t have to like states to understand that you kinda need one when the dominant mode of geopolitics is relations between states.

i’m here for anarchism when the bigger threat of capitalism is gone or if anarchists can get something going in the imperial core but i don’t see any examples of successful movement building comparable to the BPP.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

You don’t have to like states to understand that you kinda need one when the dominant mode of geopolitics is relations between states.

You are asking me to accept that a state is necessary - i.e you are asking me to stop being an anarchist. Once again, the only one that has to compromise in this “left unity” is me, and the compromise is so big I have to completely stop being myself. On your end though, there is nothing. This is exactly what I’m pointing out. You’re just saying it in nicer words.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Thank God you’re contained to the internet (like most of us). You would be getting people killed in real life.

permalink
report
parent
reply

that’s not what i said at all. i said you need a state to play the game of states that the external hostile states force you into, that’s not needing a state full stop.

what’s the anarchist solution to contemporary geopolitics? i’m genuinely unaware and happy to change my line if you have something more successful than rojava to offer.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

stop being myself

your political ideology is just a consumer identity. you are not a real anarchist.

permalink
report
parent
reply

The “anti-sectarianism” of Hexbear is just as you show it is, “MLs, but anarchists can hang out if they shut up”. They want anarchists to be useful idiots to them.

My brother in Christ I have loudly posted pretty much the entirety of Kropotkins Mutual Aid and no one has ever told me to shut up.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*
Removed by mod
permalink
report
parent
reply

I was talking about the Reddit style libs that call themselves leftists and then proceed to call actual leftists evil authoritarian commie tankies, I’ve seen both anarchists and MLs be called tankies here by libs that stumble in.

Asking anarchists to stop criticising statists and being against statism and vanguardism is big enough of a compromise that you’re basically asking them to stop being anarchists.

But funnily enough, no left unity person, no matter how vehement, ever asks MLs to stop believing in or expressing their beliefs of anything.

Anarchists are not allowed to shit on MLs here just as ML are not allowed to shit on anarchists. No one here is going to dogpile you or ban you for not wanting a state unless you shit in MLs in the process. Just as MLs are allowed to want a state as long as they don’t shit on anarchists.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

No one here is going to dogpile you or ban you for not wanting a state unless you shit in MLs in the process

Just read yourself. “No one is going to be mad at you for not wanting a state, unless you criticize those who want a state in the process”. Even in your own words, it’s exactly how I said. “You can believe in your little anarchisms, but shut the fuck up”.

permalink
report
parent
reply
23 points

your desperate desire to be “oppressed” online is embarrassing.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I never spoke about opression. I spoke about the dynamics of these kinds of spaces and what an ML that believes in “left unity” actually wants in practice, even if they’re sincere and even if they’re vehement about their beliefs in it.

permalink
report
parent
reply

askchapo

!askchapo@hexbear.net

Create post

Ask Hexbear is the place to ask and answer thought-provoking questions.

Rules:

  1. Posts must ask a question.

  2. If the question asked is serious, answer seriously.

  3. Questions where you want to learn more about socialism are allowed, but questions in bad faith are not.

  4. Try !feedback@hexbear.net if you’re having questions about regarding moderation, site policy, the site itself, development, volunteering or the mod team.

Community stats

  • 1.6K

    Monthly active users

  • 2.5K

    Posts

  • 53K

    Comments