The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

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Hamas is the governing body of Palestine.

It was Palestine who did this.

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Strictly speaking, it’s the governing body of Gaza, which hasn’t held elections in well over a decade. The West Bank is governed by the party Fatah, which is much less militant.

There is, however, the awkward truth that the West Bank has also not held elections in a long time, precisely because Hamas would probably win them.

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At last count, Hamas had something like a 75 percent approval rating in Gaza.

The support among all Palestinians is just over 50 percent.

Only 14 percent support the opposition party.

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Being in their position, I think I’d also support the only group fighting for my liberty and rights, even if they are morally tainted.

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By this logic all Iranians support their current Islamist government, which everyone and their mother knows to not be true.

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Do you support everything your government does?

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Did Germany support everything the Nazis did? No, not every citizen, but it was enough support to give Hitler his rise to power and descend into WWII.

Did Afghanistan support everything the Taliban did? No, but war was the only response to 9/11.

In the end, war sucks and many innocent people will be caught in the crossfire. But, I don’t see any other end result out of this. Israel has been so beaten down by terrorist attacks and hostility since literally the day the country was formed that war is the only way forward. They have tried every other option for the last 50 years.

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My government doesn’t have a 75% approval rating like Hamas does.

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I have trouble believing any government truly has such high approval.

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which should suggest you something?? you are SO close

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No but i still am part of my country. Every thing my government does represents my country and therefore me.

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I have to disagree.

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The government represents the people, the people do not represent the government.

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That mindset will lead you to boot licking

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Everything my government does represents me, even when it doesn’t represent me at all. Actually, nevermind.

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That’s like saying when Republicans do something stupid. It’s America. It’s not. There’s far more going on. And that’s just disingenuous.

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The lack of nuance displayed around here sometimes is truly disturbing.

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“Them versus us” mentality is very prominent in modern society and it’s only gotten worse. Not just in the context of conflicts, it’s a general problem.

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Hamas is the governing body of Gaza. They don’t control the West Bank where the majority of Palestinians live.

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you’re going to have to say you killed

No, to be consistent they’d have to say America killed them. No need to switch from blaming a country to blaming an individual citizen.

I think a majority of Americans would admit America killed them.

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I think it’s quite obvious they were using the royal ‘you’, as in America (almost every American assumes everyone else is also American in the internet unless otherwise stated).

And they’re right, American soldiers did unspeakable things in Afghanistan and Iraq, but that doesn’t mean all Americans are responsible for the decisions those soldiers made.

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Forget about consistency, this is just flat out incorrect. You’re trying to equate two different distinct sets of people, one of which contains the other.

Group A (superset) includes Bob, Alice, Sue, Mike, Cole, Anthony, Tony, Joanna, and Jerry.

Group B (subset #1) includes Bob, Alice, Sue, Mike. They voted for Anthony to run group A and received a majority, so Anthony assumed power.

Group C (subset #2) includes Anthony, Sue, Mike, and Joanna. They form a government and military over/of group A. They kill a bunch of people.

Group C is NOT EQUAL TO group A. Period. No argument, no “but what if”, they are two different groups.

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Are they? Palestine isn’t an independent state, so how is their governance determined?

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