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This case shows they’re doing precisely the opposite,” said Roth, who said the abuses Caswell endured were tantamount to “torture”.

No, it was full-blown torture. There’s no room for interpretation here.

Women across the country have increasingly been jailed for pregnancy outcomes, including miscarriages and stillbirths.

Geez. I don’t even know what to say. Miscarriages are way more common than people realize. In fact, it’s possible that miscarriages out number full-term pregnancies. There are so many NORMAL biological factors that could trigger a miscarriage.

It’s an incredibly complex and nuanced field of biology, and this simplistic mindset of “miscarriage means bad woman” is both disturbing and alarming.

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I’ve read estimates that miscarriages make up as much as 75% of all pregnancies, but many are early so women just think their period was late.

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Ya, I was going to mention that also, but I didn’t want to write too much in my comment.

Edit: I mean about the late period thing. It’s incredibly common.

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Off topic but which country and what demographic ?

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Earth and human.

The high rate comes from estimating the number of miscarriages that happen in the first 6 weeks, often before someone knows they are pregnant and the miscarriage is dismissed as a heavy or late period.

The traditional miscarriage stat comes from only looking at known pregnancies, and even it is likely higher than most people realize.

Regardless which stat you use, miscarriages are way more common than most people think.

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We had three before we brought my son to term.

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Sorry to hear that. We were in a similar situation. It’s rough. My wife still breaks down emotionally on the projected delivery date of the first one we lost. All the what could have beens. 😭

I do think about it every so often, the only reason I don’t get as emotional is because I have terrible memory for remembering specific dates. Took me almost 10 years to get my wife’s birthday right. Still get it wrong sometimes.

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A lot of miscarriages happen because something is wrong with the fetus. The “what might have been” would likely have been a lower quality of life than anyone deserves.

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In their minds, women have one job. And if the baby dies, then the girl obviously did a bad job.

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I’ve never heard of it, but now I’m disturbed and alarmed about the people who hold that opinion.

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Yeah, but god and Jesus and stuff, let’s punish women because we believe in Bronze Age myths.

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5 points

Iron age. You can be dismissive but at least be accurate

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The books are from the Iron Age, the myths are from the Bronze Age.

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Actually, even in Bronze Age myths, life begins when the baby takes its first breath. If anyone wants, you can listen to an in-depth (and often very funny) discussion on Data Over Dogma’s “Abortion and the Bible” episode here.

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Sure, but we still need to punish women for having sex. (Genesis 38:24, Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:21, Leviticus 19:20, Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Leviticus 20:18)

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This (and policies of not naming a child until it’s lived a certain length of time) are direct consequences of high rates of prenatal and neonatal mortality. That is, life begins at the first breath because otherwise you have to consider an outright crushing number of dead babies. And when you are arguing divine justice is a thing, that gets real hard real fast.

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