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This is a distinction that some defenders miss. A lot of people who use ad-blockers would be fine with ads if they were restrained and not too obtrusive. But the amount and frequency of ads only seem to increase. Something that would be difficult to justify, because time does not suffer inflation.

We went from 1 skippable 5 second ad per video to multiple ads every 10 minutes or so, sometimes even unskippable 15+ second ads or even more ads in a row. When is it going to be enough? Are we supposed to take them on their word that this is necessary, simply assuming that they need it because they don’t even share financial numbers? Is our only other option to pay up, once again, the amount that they decided is a fair compensation and also keep increasing?

Seems that at the very least some way for the users to negotiate what they believe is fair is lacking in this matter. On the lack of that, no wonder some people just decide they refuse to be squeezed forever.

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But the amount and frequency of ads only seem to increase. Something that would be difficult to justify, because time does not suffer inflation.

I mean time doesn’t, but cost of ads can be cheaper due to competition and then because lots of people use adblockers they need to push more ads on those who don’t block it, really not hard to justify, plus they are a publicly owned company which means they will always suffer from the same problems every other publicly traded company does under capitalism, having to keep growing forever with ever increasing quarterly profits.

Seems that at the very least some way for the users to negotiate what they believe is fair is lacking in this matter. On the lack of that, no wonder some people just decide they refuse to be squeezed forever.

I mean, you can literally just not use the platform, that’s your negotiating power, but you don’t want that, nor ads, nor paying for it, you want it for free, I mean, I don’t blame you for it, I want shit for free too, who doesn’t, just not how the world works at the moment.

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If you want to be this cynical about it I can only tell you one thing: the world does work like that, because people can get away with it and they do.

Yeah corporations can decide to sell our time, eyeballs and data for smaller and smaller fractions of a penny without asking us. Because clearly it isn’t about what is fair and equitable, it’s not about making sure every party gets what they deserve, it’s about what they can get away with.

Considering how much tech companies get away with, if anyone wants to moralize over not giving them what they demand, I can only laugh.

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and then because lots of people use adblockers

It’s an arms race they are fueling. They add more, longer, unskippable ads. Folks respond by learning how to run adblockers. They then add more ads, costing them more views again.

Stop increasing ad frequency/duration and they will see fewer people arming themselves with adblockers and VPN’s. 5 years ago people treated me like a tinfoil hat-wearer for having a VPN on and ublock origin. Now my boomer dad is asking questions for how to better obfuscate his telemetry and how to reduce the number of ads he sees. He uses YT to teach himself piano and had zero issue with it until the last few months. He says he can’t even use it properly as a result. So much waiting around, so many interruptions.

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They themselves are creating ZERO content. It’s the users who are creating content.

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And let’s be honest about who this is paying: Alphabet’s 2023 Annual Meeting of Stockholders.

Adversarial tech, like adblockers, is good. We should use it. If people want users to not want to use it, they should change the product so that we don’t want to use it.

It’s not illegal for me to use an ad blocker and it should never become illegal.

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