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The battle lines are being drawn in the court of public opinion. Now the question becomes how steadfast is the public support behind demanding a peaceful yet forceful resolution to this conflict and finally ending this apartheid regime.

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Public perception outside Israel has affected a total of 0 policy decisions in the country

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I just want my country to stop knob slobbing these fucking fascists.

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Because they keep getting money from the US. The US tap has to be turned off.

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Um, actually… it currently IS turned off until the house gets it’s act together. Of course, the sink is filled to the brim with soap and plates, so it will be a while before the water runs out - but it will make the genocidal plate scrubbing of Gaza a bit harder without the tap turned on.

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Israel is too important for the USA’s goals and stature in the area for public perception is the US to change the flow of money.

And in practise, Israel is not getting money but weapons systems, which is quite lucrative for the US

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How successful the court of public opinion has been in influencing the outcome of Israel conflict before?

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Very. Israel has been on several benders that were curtailed due to international opinion. Unfortunately it’s never outrightly solved the issue.

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It was successful against South African Apartheid. There’s a reason conservatives are trying to literally outlaw the BDS Israel movement. (Boycott, Divest, Sanction)

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Pretty effective. It’s backlash to Israel that has stopped Netanyahu from wiping palestine off the map.

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Israel is a small country that relies on the implicit assumption that Western countries will defend it if a large invasion ever comes to be. If they didn’t need some considerable international support, they would have ethnically cleansed the whole of Palestine already.

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Imagine how angry and disappointed our ancestors would be knowing that the supposed chosen children of God literally got given their land after WW2, gave them sympathy, gave them diamonds and global support to promote love, peace and prosperity, then watched them literally turn and slaughter their brothers and sisters next door, make millions selling spyware tools and then carpet bomb hospitals because anyone can be a terrorist. Meanwhile Sweden has had literal gunmen attack youth campus.

Now imagine that you’re actually a hardcore supporter of a Jewish homeland, or Zionism so to speak, and then imagine that this is the hell your government has created and nobody in power could be bothered building a road or a school but depends on a million dollar empire in a faraway land to provide them billions of dollars of weaponry, guns, tanks etc while they claim the country is under 24-7 threat. When you really think about it it’s almost like if it was imaginary or true it wouldn’t matter, because dogma and paranoia overrides any sense of logic with these people, meanwhile they’re literally unironically spreading their little paranoia and fear by knowingly selling spyware to dictatorships to target “dissidents”

You could have been born yesterday, or be a hundred years old, and you would still have known where energy and LOVE has been squandered

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And if support for Israel stops Palestine and countries like Iran will kill everyone they can in Israel and the country will be replaced by another extremist country lead by terrorists.

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9 points

Peaceful yet forceful?

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They probably mean forceful as in strong, not nonviolent. Like the world needs to band up and tell Israel to cut their shit out like they did to South Africa.

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^ Yes, this is exactly what I meant. Thank you.

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And I remember that Mandela died until one day I flicked on the telly and found out apparently not

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I can’t remember what happened in South Africa. I was young and doing a lot of drugs then. Is it possible for this to end similarly?

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Ah, I see. Thanks.

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Israel is not an apartheid regime. That is silly.

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Remind me who gave Israelis the right to their homeland and international recognition of statehood again?

I vaguely remember it was given, just like how language was given to us. And it can all be taken away. Everything. All taken away and destroyed. Without mercy.

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Israel has full political and military control of Palestinian land. They control every aspect of their lives. Remember when Jewish people where placed into ghettos and they each had different insignia that would indicate where they were from and were they could travel and what freedoms they had? Israel does the same thing with palestinians.

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According to Amnesty International, the world’s leading human rights organisation: “Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control.” According to B’Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories: “The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls an apartheid regime.”

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Israel is no apartheid regime. Thats silly.

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What does the ADL think of B’Tselem?

I’m not sure I give a fuck what either think, but it’s clearly not unbiased.

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They’ve self described themselves as that in the past before term became criminalised in the early 2000s

It’s at least debatable and certainly not obvious.

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Israel is very very obviously an apartheid state.

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What exactly does it mean to be an apartheid state?

Apartheid was explicitly racialized discrimination. White citizens and black citizens had vastly different rights under the law. Black South African citizens, for example, couldn’t vote for parliamentary representatives by 1959.

Israel is different, in that most legal discrimination is on the basis of citizenship. Arab-Israeli citizens face a lot of private racism, but their legal rights are completely different vs Arabs in Palestine without Israeli citizenship.

The difference between Arab Israelis and people in Gaza isn’t racial, it’s whether they lived in Gaza or in what was partitioned into Israel, and if they fled during the 1948 war or not.

Israel’s regime is deeply problematic in many ways. Whether it’s aparthied or not seems mostly in how you generalize your definition of apartheid. If apartheid must be explicitly racialized discrimination against citizens, Israel is obviously not an apartheid state. If discriminating against non-citizens counts, Israel is an apartheid state.

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If you don’t want apartheid and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, then you want to rape festival-goers. Those are the only two choices!

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As someone who has spent a long time arguing with these morons, just ignore them. There are people who are misinformed and people who love sucking Israel’s dick/hate Palestinians. This is the latter case.

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