Comment by Prunebutt@feddit.de on AI can generate memes now. This could potentially lead to a new robot-communist era.

I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.

That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.

I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.

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irmoz@reddthat.com

10 points

11 months ago

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Stop being so dramatic and conspiratorial. The pushback is because it sucks. AI can’t be genuinely creative.

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Risk@feddit.uk

1 point

11 months ago

Conspiratorial? What?

Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?

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irmoz@reddthat.com

1 point

11 months ago

The pushback against AI is not because artists are in a conspiracy to block progress.

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Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

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11 months ago

@Risk @Prunebutt, the risk is when we lose our own capabilities and intelligence, becoming dependent on AI. This has already happened with previous technologies. Who still has the handwriting of our grandparents with the introduction of the keyboard and word processors? Who can still do simple sums mentally for purchases at the supermarket, without using a calculator? With the introduction of smartphones, our lives have become completely dependent on these gossips in practically every aspect, social as well as professional.
Seeing this evolution, I always think of the humans in the movie Wall-e as the end result of this path. It is not that AI is going to fight and subjugate humanity, it does not need to do so, since we subordinate ourselves to it voluntarily, even today we would be unable to survive a week without our technology.
It happens when we start using tools, not for what they are, but as crutches for our own inability and intelligence, instead of using them for our own development.

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Risk@feddit.uk

1 point

11 months ago

I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.

Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.

Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.

Don’t mistake delegation for subordination.

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Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

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11 months ago

@Risk, i don’t confuse it,but an excess of delegacion IS at the end subordination. The calligraphy is only one example of a general tendency.
Of course there are people who continue to practice it and are sought after, precisely because there are few of them. But the vast majority do not have a writing that can be defined as such and many can no longer do so without using a spell checker, moving to a poor general vocabulary.
Human beings are very comfortable having others do their work and this with new technologies is becoming more pronounced, even with AI that turns on the lights or TV on command, because the 3 steps to the switch is too much effort.

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11 months ago

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I agree: it is a tool. And maybe you might at some point be able to create something worthwhile with it. But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.

The main way “generative AI” is currently being used is by giving some idea some kind of form. If the original idea is just lame, or has been done to death (like a pixar poster of insert any atocricy here) : it will show.

If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will not be able to get any art from it.

You can also see that in the weird AI bro behavior, when they refuse to share their prompts: In any traditional art project people are glad to share their techniques. But AI bros realize that there’s so little effort involved that they are overly protective of their prompts so that people may not find out how low effort their “creativite” process actually is.

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Risk@feddit.uk

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11 months ago

But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.

So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.

If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will not be able to get any art from it.

That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any interesting art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.

As for the ‘AI bro’ thing - I haven’t run in to this, but yes it does sound like the ones that don’t want to share their prompts are insecure. It’s very normal for most artists to share their media and techniques with their piece; most AI art I’ve seen, particularly the better more interesting stuff, the person has shared their prompts and the models they’ve used.p

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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works

7 points

11 months ago

And so is OP, if they think this is creative.

It’s just digitized monkeys throwing digitized shit at the wall. As in, that’s pretty much exactly how ML training works.

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Juno@beehaw.org

1 point

11 months ago

That’s agist and stupid. The idea is valid or not, the person who said it is irrelevant.

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VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf

6 points

11 months ago

Speaking as an elder millenial/junior middle aged man: ouch, my back hurts!

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AccidentalLemming@lemmy.world

3 points

11 months ago

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Prunebutt@feddit.de

2 points

11 months ago

And if we have an opinion on it,we comment. What’s your point?

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AccidentalLemming@lemmy.world

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11 months ago

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Prunebutt@feddit.de

2 points

11 months ago

You’re overestimating how much thought people put into their votes. It is literally costing them nothing.

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PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca

18 points

11 months ago

I personally exclusively use it to generate photos of products I wish were real, and then get angry that I can’t buy them

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getoffthedrugsdude@lemmy.ml

7 points

11 months ago

What’s the most recent product you’ve been wanting?

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Sethayy@sh.itjust.works

7 points

11 months ago

Realistic Lego human anatomy

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residentmarchant@lemmy.world

4 points

11 months ago

So cursed, just in time for Halloween

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Sethayy@sh.itjust.works

3 points

11 months ago

My gf actually showed me it and was raving on how we have to get it that I almost didn’t have the heart to tell her not a word on the package beyond ‘Lego’ was real

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PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca

7 points

11 months ago

A retrofuture 90s inspired portable speaker dock

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Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com

3 points

11 months ago

OK. I am angry.

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getoffthedrugsdude@lemmy.ml

3 points

11 months ago

That’s actually pretty sick

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PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca

2 points

11 months ago

Ikr. The phone was supposed to be the screen in the middle (docked), but I couldn’t figure out how to tell that to the AI so it kept adding the extra phone plugged in via (very odd) cables.

AI can generate memes now. This could potentially lead to a new robot-communist era.(lemmy.ml)

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