Ooooh how dare you? Dontyaknow Birdie from Phoronix is struggling to run a window manager from 1983 on a ATi Rage II with Wayland???!?!??
It’s here on Lemmy, too.
I was down to like -50 on a thread about an X11 vulnerability and all I wrote was, “Imagine still running X.”
I’d downvote that comment too. It adds nothing to the discussion and is deliberately confrontative and superficial.
I really think some of the Linux crowd on Lemmy are way too sensitive and liberal with downvoting. That’s a perfectly fine comment to make. I imagine a friend saying that to me in real life and obviously it’s just an inoffensive joke/jab that shouldn’t be taken at face value.
So, as it’s been stated, Wayland is still not universally better than X. There are still bugs in places. Gaming is still an issue. Kwin’s implementation still isn’t complete enough to be reliably introduced as the default.
This is after years and years of work. Yes, making an entirely new display protocol is hard. However Wayland was introduced as the “eventual X replacement” when I was in high school. I’m 30 now. I’ve heard some variation of “Wayland is almost ready” since my senior year of college.
At some point it becomes exhausting. At this point when someone says something along the lines of “in a year or two, Wayland will reach a point where X.org will be a thing of the past” my immediate reaction is to call bullshit.
While I mostly agree with you, adoption and readiness follows a curve and, at some point, that curve begins to steepen. The curve ahead of us is steeper than the curve behind us.
GNOME defaults to Wayland now and is actually talking about removing X11 support. This Cinnamon post says that they will also do that in a couple of years. KDE is talking about doing it next year with Plasma 6.
Once GNOME and KDE have switched, the majority of Linux desktop users will be Wayland by default. Not only will that drive the ecosystem to fix remaining problems more quickly but it will just not matter as much.
In the next 36 months, it is going to go from “when will Wayland be ready” to “who is still using X”?
at some point they’ll be right though! Right when shmayland is announced as the successor to Wayland–since Wayland is getting long in the tooth.
I dunno, i daily sway/Wayland & game without issues (including game streaming). Wayland gaining mainstream support across most distros (especially something as “slow” as debian) is proof enough that its not the eventual replacement, it is the replacement.
My only issue with it currently is global hot keys. Push-to-talk on discord only seem to work when a xwayland window is in focus.
My sticking point with Discord in particular is that, at the moment, it’s allergic to file drag and drop under Wayland. If I want to drag and drop a file attachment, I have to open the file explorer dialog and drag onto that.
This is more of a Discord being sluggish to update problem than a Wayland being unstable problem, but it’s still extremely irritating.
In the meantime (how many years did it take Discord to update their electron to a not-quite-as-ancient version the last time?), one thing I’d like to see here would be the option to allow listening to global keypresses for certain apps. Yes, that makes security slightly worse I guess but I’d rather have all the other benefits of Wayland working for me while this one isn’t working yet.
I am excited about Wayland. I’m just waiting on PopOS to run it as the default. I’ve tried using it but I was getting hard locks when I left my computer idle for a while.
The logs made it seem like it was a Wayland issue so I switched back to x11 for now. It hasn’t happened since.
I imagine most people don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other. They just want their distro and em to work well.
Wayland has worked better than X.org in my experience.
I tried i3 with Compton and Picom - both compositors for X.org - and it had major rendering issues, both on AMD (weird lagging) and NVIDIA (colour issues). Meanwhile I tried Hyprland on a spare PC and it provides a great tiled WM with both form and function. If anything’ll get me on a tiled WM, it’ll be Hyprland now. I’m also looking forward to Wayfire. We need a spiritual successor to Compiz.
I’m glad to hear it. I am ready to start using it. The architecture is so much more modern and secure. I’m assuming(hoping) Cosmic will be on Wayland when it’s launched.
What Remote Desktop tool works for you in Wayland? Found none Working well on Wayland (Maybe I did something wrong when I tried VNC and RDP)
This has been my first struggle with Wayland. Used to be able to enable remote desktop with a single check box in most distros, then VNC into it from a Windows PC no problem. It’s a real hassle now and glitchy at best once it’s up and going. I gave up and have been using Anydesk to remote access a machine, and even that wasn’t simple to get going.
The only time I RDP is to my Windows machine for gaming and I’ve had great success with Remmina
Oh, yea, was thinking the other way around: I want my GNOME session streamed to an iPad, that I can use on the couch. (OpenSuse tumbleweed)
I’ve tried. KDE Plasma on the 4k external screen is giving me big black blocks to the right of windows I move or for the launcher… Like a shadow. Flickering trails of black block shadows if I move windows around. The latest nvidia driver did finally fix the mouse leave trails of black boxes, though. No idea if it works for Gnome, I can’t stand Gnome’s layout, workflow, and window management.
Can’t replicate your results here. I play on Wayland, and deliberately force some games to run natively on Wayland (SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland) and so far I haven’t noticed any framerate changes except statistical noise.
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