Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report
Suicide is an impulse
Suicide is everything from highly planned to impulsive. You’ve built your argument on a fallacy.
Abusers with guns
So this isn’t about male suicide but guns…
Great minimization to wedge your rhetoric.
When the causes of death is compared across genders is blatantly obvious the difference is the means to ACT on it. Men are less likely to seek help, more likely to ACT. This is not a uniquely American issue, its world wide in fact America does not rank in the top 20 countries.
To make my point, here is the Australian suicide statistics. Notice how its the same problem and we do not have guns accessible? https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time
Suicide is everything from highly planned to impulsive. You’ve built your argument on a fallacy
Sure, I probably should have said “many suicides are an impulse”, but you’re going to have to do better then semantics.
But if that’s the game we’re playing, by your own admission, it’s not a fallacy, it just doesn’t cover every suicide.
Which is fine, because I’ll never claim that gun control will prevent all suicides, but the types of impulse suicides I specifically detailed.
So this isn’t about male suicide but guns…
Means reduction is means reduction. It remains one of the most effective methods of suicide prevention and that wont change just because this particular means reduction upsets pro-gun reactionaries.
People also got upset when their access to barbiturates, toxic gas and easy to jump off bridges was reduced. But people went ahead and saved a measurable number of lives anyway, because bridge aficionados aren’t part of a death cult backed by a powerful lobby group.
When the causes of death is compared across genders is blatantly obvious the difference is the means to ACT on it.
So you’re saying that men have greater access to some kind of “means”, that are more lethal than other means, which increases the number of them that die by suicide?
Damn, who’d’ve though?
Men are less likely to seek help, more likely to ACT. This is not a uniquely American issue, its world wide in fact America does not rank in the top 20 countries.
I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but I’m the one advocating that we take steps to reduce the suicide rate, using repeatedly proven strategies.
It’s the pro-gun commenters that you seemingly agree with who are advocating that we do less.
I even did it without bringing gender into it, because I don’t feel that someones genitals makes their suicide any more of less tragic.
Unfortunately, that didn’t stop you from seeing the words “women” and “suicide” used in the same post and twisting it into something you could get upset about.
Notice how its the same problem and we do not have guns accessible?
Yep, I see the statistics that have nothing to do with the point I was making.
To preface for others, I have placed some of the more triggering parts of this discussion behind the spoiler tags so others reading can avoid the more sensitive part of these discussions.
I probably should have said “many suicides are an impulse”
You should not have over stated the minority. I understand, anything to further your political rhetoric.
It remains one of the most effective methods of suicide prevention
And yet the suicide statistics CLEARLY show it made NO difference for Australia, none.
spoiler
Better ban rope now, hangings now dwarf suicide by guns as the leading cause.
Clearly you can’t even be bothered reading the statistics, not a study, statistics. If you had bothered to read the statistics of means over time, it clearly shows the volume has only increased over 5 decades and the means has drastically changed. The change in access made, NO difference in the outcome.
So you’re saying that men have greater access to some kind of “means”.
That was a typo on my part which you can clearly see if you read the two sentences together. Not means; intent. Absolutely men have far more intent then women. Pick any study, the conclusion is the same: intent.
I’m the one advocating that we take steps to reduce the suicide rate, using repeatedly proven strategies.
repeatedly proven strategies.
That baseless claim at it again. Its statistics show the exact opposite.
pro-gun commenters that you seemingly agree with
No. I’m disagreeing with political bots like yourself “PoliticalAgiotator” wedging an agenda to benefit your politics. Its disingenuous garbage. I’m keeping my politics out of it, I find it weird how uncontrolled guns are in the US however I am not deluded by how little of an impact it has had here. It detracts from real discussion to address the real cause.
I even did it without bringing gender into it,
didn’t stop you from seeing the words “women” and “suicide” used in the same post and twisting it
The delusion is pretty bad for you. You have not read the post title, let alone the article or even the statistics I provided. Welcome to the conversation, or is that the point: to derail and not contribute.
Yep, I see the statistics
For some strange reason, I highly doubt you read anything at all.
To preface for others, I have placed some of the more triggering parts of this discussion behind the spoiler tags
As you argue against proven suicide prevention strategies. How very compassionate of you.
Clearly you can’t even be bothered reading the statistics, not a study, statistics.
It makes sense that you’d focus on numbers without any greater context, because it makes it far easier to manipulate them. I’ve already addressed your bullshit arguments in your other comment.
Alternatively, people can just click the link above and get the opinions of an institute dedicated to suicide prevention and the studies they’ve based it on, then decide if they’re likely to know more or less about suicide prevention than this random guy on social media.
Not means; intent. Absolutely men have far more intent then women. Pick any study, the conclusion is the same: intent.
So you’re saying that women are just doing it for attention and thats why their suicide rate is lower and why they don’t use guns?
That’s the opinion of a complete cunt, but I cant figure out any other reason for you to even mention it.
For some strange reason, I highly doubt you read anything at all
Okay then, lets do it this way: find me three suicide prevention organizations that don’t support means reduction or explain to us how you’re more qualified than the literally hundreds that do.
This shouldn’t be a problem right? After all, you’re definitely correct and trawling through hundreds of studies, statistics and statements to individually link them on social media is a trivial thing that it’s not dishonest to demand.
