What a vague and silly comment, half the world’s top contributors to greenhouse gasses aren’t even capitalist countries. I get the fediverse isn’t a fan of capitalism, but you can’t just blanketly blame everything on it.

Just as there are hordes of idiots on the right who call anything they don’t like “socialism”, there are a few idiots - primarily teenagers - on the left who call anything they don’t like “capitalism”.

After the supreme court invalidated Roe v Wade, I attended a rally. I walked away when one of the speakers started shouting “We know what the real problem is…capitalism!” and all the university kids started cheering.

I love the enthusiasm and your heart’s in the right place but y’all are dumber than a bag of bowling balls.

Was isn’t a capitalistic country? North Korea?

The US military is the single largest polluter organisation on the planet - do tell me how we can’t blame capitalism again?

And just for your information - that other gigantic capitalist country you falsely believe isn’t capitalist? Guess what? It’s capitalist.

Also, non-capitalist countries tend to be low emitters because they are failed countries whose people live in miserable poverty.

Also, non-capitalist countries

What non-capitalist countries?

Cubas pretty green for what its worth.

The US military is the world’s largest socialist organization. Universal health care, pensions, free college and job training, free housing…

The US military is the world’s largest socialist organization.

Oh, do please explain to us how worker ownership of the means of production works in the US military.

Wait, don’t answer yet… I quickly have to get some popcorn. This is going to be good.

Taxes

Is there any other way?

Taxes

Taxes? That’s how the working class owns the means of production in the US military?

Am I talking to a damn chatbot here? It sure as hell sounds like it.

Yeah, think of it like a corporation. Instead of shares, you have votes and taxes.

Everyone in the military can vote on the actions of that military. Although, so can everyone not in the military. And the number of votes don’t correspond to how many shares you can buy, because it’s more equal than capitalism.

China is the number one greenhouse gas contributor, Russia is near the top of the list as well. Fuck off tankies.

I just wanna know what exactly you think a tankie is

You don’t trash China at every opportunity unprovoked? Damn tankies!

The United States has double China’s emissions per capita, and China actually is the world leader in the production of sustainable development products like solar panels even though the USA had a 150 year head start in its industrialisation. Despite whatever criticisms you may have against China, looking only at total emissions is definitely misleading. China’s renewable power has gone up fivefold in the past 15 years in absolute numbers and double in percentage of total production. The USA hasn’t even been building hydro dams since the 80s, while China has built some 15 in the past 20 years. Since one is explicitly the most capitalist country and the other is “”“capitalist actually”“”, I think it is fair to say that capitalism has a negative correlation with fighting climate change.

Though I have no idea why you included the Russian Federation there, since it is a capitalist oligarchy created by and modelled after the USA. Do you believe that Russia is communist by any chance?

China is the number one

Sooo… a capitalist state?

Russia is near the top

Sooo… another capitalist state?

Fuck off tankies.

You don’t know what a tankie is, do you?

I knew it was a bad day when we allowed liberals access to that word.

Oh gross, you’re one of those

Do you think a tankie would say China is a capitalist nation? Liberalism really is worse than brain cancer. They are either an anarchist or some other shit, you just see the names of the enemies of the empire and scream, you poor ignorant Gringo.

We’re past that like 3 comments ago, try to keep up.

You walked blindly into this argument with absolutely zero understanding of the subject matter at hand, didn’t you?

Users are attributing climate change to “capitalism” with no evidence or reasoning to back it up. You’ve made assertions that countries that political experts don’t consider primarily capitalist countries are actually capitalist countries with no evidence to back them up. I don’t have to waste my time disproving your flaky nonsense, calling it out is good enough for me.

And what part of this conversation makes you feel like the intelligent subject matter expert here? The part where you said liberals shouldn’t use certain words? Keep it up bud, appreciate you helping me decide which communities to filter out here.

If you think those 2 are communist countries, you’re stuck in the last century. Let me give you some news. The Soviet Union collapsed and gave way to a capitalist oligarchy. China realized that capitalism is profitable and brings them tons of money from the west. I have no idea why tankies still simp those countries as communist (wait, I do actually - because tankies never had any principles of their own, they just wanted to be anti-west).

There is one country that needs to kickstart change for it to have any effect, it’s the US. Not only does it pollute the most per capita, it’s a huge market. My tiny ass country with fuel prices already being twice as much in the US, can raise fuel prices even more, but that won’t affect global demand. Americans no longer getting fuel for essentially free, would actually affect global demand.

Yes, of course, because political systems are binary and there’s only capitalism and communism lmao

There’s plenty of systems that mix both, but Russia and China aren’t actually good examples. They’re pretty capitalist.

If you want a better example of mixing capitalism with socialism, you can take a look at something like the Nordic countries, where there are tons of social services and safety nets, but there’s still a very strong (just regulated) free market.

Seems a bit silly to decide that “capitalism” is the majority contributor to climate change when the country that produces the most greenhouse gases is only “pretty capitalist” doesn’t it? If capitalism is the major contributor, why don’t more capitalist country produce more greenhouse gases?

I never set out to argue that capitalism doesn’t exist in countries that aren’t primarily capitalist.

There’s plenty of systems that mix both, but Russia and China aren’t actually good examples. They’re pretty capitalist.

State companies and state-connected companies own more than half of each one’s economy. More than in Nordic countries.

Those 2 are literally capitalist countries. Also tankies are the ones who commonly say China is not capitalist.

Lol the fuck, no they aren’t

What makes you think that?

What makes me think that two countries that have never identified as capitalist and have never been identified as capitalist anywhere except for this crazy ass community where you just go ahead and label anything you don’t like simply as “capitalism”? Oh I don’t know, just a hunch I guess!

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