Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

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both can be true

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Sure it can. But that doesn’t mean it is.

Oh I’m sure if you look hard enough you’ll find one or two nazis hiding anywhere, even if they don’t identy as nazi or even know what it means.

But Russia, with its actions, have proven themselves to be an imperialist, nationalist, fascist piece of shit. And while both could be true, actions speak louder.

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I think it’s pretty natural to want good things for your imaginary team, everywhere you go across the USA you’ll see whites, blacks, asians, etc even in Chinatowns where people, particularly migrants consistently demonstrate a need to be self reliant, and on a higher level, extending that to your country, region or continent is not necessarily indicative of an anti-collaborative attitude at all.

I look at it like a case of expanding your circle of sympathies from yourself, to your country, and further towards a collective transhumanism. If you cannot take care of yourself, rationally, you should be skeptical of your ability to take care of others, and makeup etc often does no justice considering the price these days

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integrating the azov brigade into the national guard sounds like a bunch of Nazis are in the government to me.

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Yeah, it’s a problem. A threatened country integrated a fascist militia into its army. Yes, and that’s bad.

But the country as a whole does not like Nazis at all, and doesn’t vote for them.

“In the 2019 Ukrainian elections, the far-right nationalist electoral alliance, including Svoboda, National Corps, Right Sector, Azov Battalion, OUN, and Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, under-performed expectations. In the presidential election, its candidate Ruslan Koshulynskyi received 1.6% of the vote, and in the parliamentary election, it was reduced to a single seat and saw its national vote fall to 2.15%, half of its result from 2014 and one-quarter of its result from 2012.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Ukraine

The country has a Jewish president and a Muslim cabinet minister. Sound like a Nazi country to you?

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Where’s Azov now, and where’s Rusich?

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The irony of the whole Azov thing is a majority of their members are ex Russians who moved to East Ukraine because Russia wasn’t being Nazi enough for them.

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I don’t make a distinction between the Nazis on one side of a border or the other.

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You need to study the subject more closely before stating that (: Slavik nazism is a deep rabbithole, but for the purpose of this article, I compare two governments, and one of them does indulge in that kind of rhetoric more than the other.

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I dunno man, obviously I don’t like Russia for the dictatorship and propaganda aspect, but if we’re comparing hot German ladies to Russian ladies, someone should really call the Wagner boss for his opinion hahaha

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Prigozhin is dead and old tho, I won’t trust his opinion in choosing a date material lol. All women are different, all have their preferences and kinks, and it’s not a question of a race or an ethnicity mostly, but your personal compatibility with this exact girl. Some russian women like what you ennjoy, some don’t, same with germanese.

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I don’t think either government is any better than the other. I don’t think either set of Nazis is any better than the other.

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Let’s get this perfectly straight:

There are no nazis in Ukraine. Ukraine is not behaving like a fascist country. So your downplaying of Russia is crap. You’re making up a middle ground that doesn’t exist. To what end I don’t know, but I’m starting to think you’re not merely ignorant but actually have an agenda.

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Yes there are stupid people everywhere. In most places they aren’t literally running the country.

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in most places they aren’t being integrated into the military.

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Are you suggesting that the Russian military isn’t part of the Russian government, which is doing pogroms against gays?

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It’s a bit unsettling how this statement resembles whataboutism often employed by Russian politicians to brush off any criticism

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I’m not downplaying any criticism of Russia. fascism is always bad.

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