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85 points

An open source and private chat app that everybody wants to use

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Session is coming along nicely, and has true anonymous accounts. But that โ€œeveryone wants to useโ€ requirenent is a killer.

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44 points

Signal works. The adoption is fairly slow, but Iโ€™ve had friends slowly begin to use it.

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-11 points

They are currently in bit trouble as their funds are gone

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I donโ€™t think theyโ€™re in trouble, theyโ€™re just talking about long term funding because itโ€™s relevant. Canโ€™t expand and get more funding without mentioning that you need it

Of the articles I saw about funding

  • one was by Signal, estimating future costs
  • one was by that Grayzone guy, misrepresenting where funds were from (said it was CIA lol), how much was being changed (title implied it was entirely CIA funded but it was a past, publicly documented investment by a government program)
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5 points

Source?

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Signal gets some things right, but others wrong, such as phone numbers and centralized architecture. As such, it doesnโ€™t fit the โ€œeverybody wants to useโ€ part.

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6 points

WhatsApp uses phone numbers and a centralized architecture. Remind me how many people use it?

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5 points

Plus the arbitrary requirement of a mobile device as a primary, so it would be either inconvenient Signal-cli or something like Waydroid.

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Signal is great. I miss when it worked with SMS. There are 2 E2EE SMS apps that Iโ€™m aware of, bit one is not well supported and the other needs quite a bit of UI work before itโ€™s usable by the general public. Also, neither can be used as the default SMS app on Apple phones,but thatโ€™s not the appโ€™s fault.

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My problem is that it does not work on multiple devices at the same time, so I have personally given up on it. Maybe it has changed, did not check for a long time.

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It works everywhere except Android tablets, and you can just use Molly for that.

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Iโ€™ve been using Signal since like 2016 and have not seen any appreciable adoption rate whatsoever within my social network.

I used to actively try to get people to use it but I got enough ambivalent or negative responses that I just stopped asking.

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My biggest problem with Signal is how much battery it uses when you donโ€™t have Google services on your phone.

It easily uses 30-40% of my battery compared to the rest.

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8 points

https://signal.org/ ?

I love it and have gotten everyone to want to use it?

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14 points

Lucky you

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6 points

Signal feels the closest, itโ€™s basically equivalent to other messaging apps. Somewhat cleaner and easier to use IMO

The only downside is chat backups for people coming from Messenger, in particular those on iOS devices. Streamlining that process might get me to go โ€œcontact me on signal, I donโ€™t check messenger oftenโ€, but right now I get why thereโ€™s a last bit of friction with my friends

WhatsApp has a similar limitation but they walk you through the backups process. Even then, they limit backups to google drive iirc. Signal could do something similar, but much better by explaining the process and opening up backup locations

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We got reasonably close with signal, but I know what you mean. Iโ€™ve had friends think I was some sort of escaped convict just because Iโ€™d rather use Matrix to chat instead of FB.

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1 point

The problem here is that a really private application would be p2p over i2p/TOR, but with people behind CG-NAT that is becoming quite troublesome

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Some of the hurtles Iโ€™ve encountered using privacy focused chat apps with friends and family is the lack of smooth group chats and adding people remotely.

Some apps have a QR code feature but also allow you to enter a code. It can be a challenge to setup with older family members.

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boomers will always complain and cry.

in their minds, they should be able to buy a device and when they open it up, it should already come pre-installed with their granddaughterโ€™s name and contact ready to go through a mind reading technology that knows that knows who bought the device and knows who exactly they want to talk to and when.

Star Trek on steroids or something idk.

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