With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
if you bother to think about it that’s highly unlikely.
When people say shit like this it makes me wonder how divorced from reality they are… do you really think it’s highly unlikely that the IDF did this after their other wonderful works:
- Filming themselves humiliating prisoners and others detained for no charge
- Repeatedly killing journalists then denying it. One example, and here is a report detailing the rest of those journalists, dead or detained.
- Killing 130 UN workers
- All these statements made by IDF soldiers about their systematic mistreatment, abuse, and torture of Palestinians, namely in Hebron
It is absolutely highly likely that the IDF has not stopped this.
I don’t even want to start with the stories of some of those Israel detained without a charge because it’s fucking tragic. One named Israa, her story is gut-wrenching and one in hundreds. This is what happened after her car broke down by a checkpoint:
She tried to open the windows, but they, too, were affected by the electrical failure. Again, she tried to exit the car, opening the door, but the officer rushed over and slammed it shut, crushing her hand. She yelled “Allahu Akbar ’alaiku” (God is greater than you are), chastising him several times for not allowing her to escape. She urged him to let her out as fire ignited in the front part of the car. He refused. He stood there, watching her burn inside. The airbag deployed, completely trapping her inside the blazing car.
The police officer who stopped her claimed that she was trying to use the propane tank to blow up the car. His testimony was the only one considered in the Israeli court, and Israa’ was branded a ‘terrorist’. She was sentenced to 11 years in prison. She is now serving her term at HaSharon prison inside Israel, and is denied much needed medical attention. After her debilitating injuries and imprisonment, her husband also suffered a car accident, leaving him permanently disabled and confined to a wheelchair. Their son, Mu’tasim, is now living with his grandmother in Jerusalem.
She was recently released. I’ll leave a picture of her face just so we don’t forget what kind of shit the IDF does
The example you have used appears to be a very unfortunate set of events. If you can put yourself in the soldiers place they were either worried about a car bomb attack (with the yells of god is great from a stopped car at a checkpoint it’s not that far fetched really) or they were psychopathic if how you are telling it is true. I don’t know the answer, they may well have been both. If it was an unfortunate set of events and the soldier was not psychopathic I could imagine they would probably feel at least some regret over the incident, I mean who wouldn’t? I don’t know
I find it hard to put myself in the place of a police officer who left a woman inside a burning car to explode.
You have got to be some kind of human fucking scum to be okay with this or excuse it in any way. This woman deserves better.
I’m glad you agree it’s an unfortunate set of events. How about what followed? She was denied medical treatment in prison. The Israeli judge who sentenced her did not do her justice, and she was mistreated in prison.
Is this justified? I can share many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many more fucking stories of the same caliber. Please don’t ignore the fact that Israa’s story is not that unique (sadly).
Finally the only people who were able to release her from the shackles of Israel is a terrorist organization… when you have Hamas do the work of the UN, you have got to stop to think about just how wrong Israel is.
Also have you checked the link to Breaking the Silence?
They have this REALLY LOVELY FUCKING TAB ON THE LEFT where you can choose the testimonies you would like to read about the IDF, such as “looting”, or “assassinations” or “rules of engagement”. All the videos will kick your heart in the gut. And they should. Because what kind of beings are we if it doesn’t kick us in the fucking gut?
Ah yes, another apologist. I am sure if Israeli men were stripped and publicly humiliated like this, you would have been the first person to condemn it, but since it is just Palestinians who everyone knows are only Hamas supporters (/s) is just fine, right.
So perhaps you should think twice about who is “full of shit” here having double standards.
No I wouldn’t, this is what happens in a war zone. When the Americans were in the pacific they couldn’t trust the Japanese to surrender so they assumed they were dangerous, the ones that didn’t are probably dead. And also if I can recall, the last military operation from the Palestinian side the people weren’t really rounded up as much as slayed in their homes. The ones that were rounded up ended up being taken hostage. Hold on, I’m the one with double standards. Both sides have done shit I wouldn’t apologise for either side. There will never be peace as long as one side thinks and acts like they are completely innocent
Removed. You have it backwards:
“Even if only one of these people are combatants I would argue it’s justified for everyone’s safety”
In actuality it should be “Even if only one of these people are innocents I would argue it’s not justified for everyone’s human dignity.”
I understand what you’re saying but this is a different reality. The world you’re talking about needs a certain degree of civility to before it can be seen as reasonable. I know you won’t like this but being a soldier is usually an occupation. The job is to keep things secure. This is for both your own wellbeing and to complete the objective because everyone wants to finish the job and go home safely at the end of the day. Unfortunately sometimes it’s impossible to consider everyone’s feelings in every situation. I agree 100% that if you were a totally innocent person and you got rounded up and stripped it would be absolutely bullshit and unfair. I also think if you were a soldier following orders and you had half your face and arm blown off you would think that was unfair as well
It requires no civility to say that any chance of the persecution of innocents is not allowed. 1 in 20? 19 in 20? Doesn’t matter.
