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I don’t understand why the article writes that iMessage is the only way for encrypted messaging between Android and iOS. I can thing of several off the top of my head:

  • Matrix
  • Signal
  • WhatsApp
  • Facebook Messanger (very soon)
  • Threema
  • Telegram
  • Viber
  • Line
  • Skype

And there are surly more …

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cause of lazy iOS users that can’t be bothered to use anything else

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Then why are we shaming Apple and not the iOS users? I think Apple is totally reasonable here.

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Apple’s biggest crimes here are creating a proprietary platform with an exclusive protocol and making it the default messaging protocol on their devices. None of this is really new, though. All that shit is common. We need Signal or Matrix to improve in user-friendliness and even do some marketing to the point where they become viable solutions.

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Message works, it’s seamless and does a good job. Sure I’ll change to something else if I need to send images or group chat with Android uses, but in the UK that generally means WhatsApp, which I am definitely not keen on.

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There is absolutely nothing reasonable with using an inferior and outdated standard compared to what literally everybody else uses.

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Most of those are proprietary. My list:

  • Matrix
  • Session
  • Signal and signal clients
  • Simplex Chat
  • Jami
  • Briar (android only)
  • Nextcloud talk (needs nextcloud)
  • probably a lot more
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telegram is not encrypted by default, and does its best to make you forget to enable it for each individual contact. if you want to do a group chat, you’re out of luck.

Telegram is only (partially) secure for pedantic power users, which most people aren’t.

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telegram is encrypted, but not end to end encrypted by default

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so, relative to pretty much all other messaging services, it might as well not be.

You’re saying “by default not everyone can read your messages, only you, the recipient, telegram themselves and anyone who they might decide to share them with, with neither your consent, nor knowledge”

When compared to “nobody except you and the recipient” that becomes effectively equivalent to “nothing”.

also, not end-to-end ever when it comes to group chats

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5 points

Technically, yes, this is a solution.

Socially, no. This is not a solution. People are just too lazy.

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I assume that if people are too lazy to switch to a solution which works for every one then they are not very interested in talking to you anyway.

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Except it’s not a solution that works for everyone. It’s 9 solutions. If it were one it would be a lot easier.

7 once you take out the ones owned by Facebook.

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3 points

XMPP

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Here’s your answer: America.

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