Comment by Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on Apple has seemingly found a way to block Android’s new iMessage app

This doesn’t matter because everyone should be using signal.

It is a great app, but you cannot fit everyone into a single app.

Examples why I personally sometimes don’t want to use Signal:

no native desktop app, just a half-baked Electron based thing
no versions for systems other than Android and iOS
requires phone number (common argument)
hard to integrate bots, notifications and automatic services for the future use
when Signal foundation do something stupid, it would mean me having to migrate all friends yet another time

Signal is super giga great, the cons list is short, but if we want everyone to use something it has to be an universal protocol, not one app.

no versions for systems other than Android and iOS

requires phone number (common argument)

Ok, those are legitimate complaints, and I suspect they’re related too. It would be nice to have a web client.

hard to integrate bots, notifications and automatic services for the future use

Personally, I’d say that’s a feature.

Signal is super giga great, the cons list is short, but if we want everyone to use something it has to be an universal protocol, not one app.

To be fair, signal is an open source protocol that anyone is free to implement. Signal protocol

To be fair, signal is an open source protocol that anyone is free to implement.

“The Signal Protocol (formerly known as the TextSecure Protocol) is a non-federated cryptographic protocol that provides end-to-end encryption for voice and instant messaging conversations[…]”

Signal is an encryption protocol, not messaging protocol. My comment was about a messaging one like XMPP or Matrix.

With notifications turned off

Seriously. Who wants to know when people are talking to them? GO AWAY, PEOPLE. GOSH.

Honestly for most people this is a crazy level of paranoia. The US government can know the metadata of my friends birthday party organization group.

Because it’s a significant inconvenience to disable those notifications over the very unlikely possibility that some bad actor will hoover that data up, much less do something nefarious with it.

Ah, fair enough.

I realize now that I misunderstood the objection, I thought you were saying that using signal was an unreasonable level of paranoia, but I can totally see why turning off notifications seems that way.

Honestly I don’t care if the government knows who’s all going to the party. Someone’s gonna post pictures of it anyhow. My garbage data is just more stuff for them to sort through.

And I’m not gonna bother missing out on everything out of fear that the government will do what exactly with my data? The risk is so low for your average person.

You say that, but what if one of them had a friend who is a communist? Could make for some awkward conversation with the authorities at some undisclosed location in the future.

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surveil-push-notifications/

The US government is forcing Google and Apple to share push notification data with them. Even if the content is not sent, the metadata alone can let them know who you are talking to and when using metadata correlation.

Signal push notifications don’t contain any useful plain text data (no content, no information about who sent you a message). AFAIK the only thing you would be leaking is that you received a message on signal, and frankly that metadata is probably going to be leaked to the US government regardless of your use of push notifications.

it’s not the content in the noti, it’s where your phone was connected when it received it

They get that from the carrier already

I mean… if you need to be worried about that, you really shouldn’t have a phone on you.

frankly that metadata is probably going to be leaked to the US government regardless of your use of push notifications.

How?

Because your ISP and cell phone provider can tell you’re connecting to signal.

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