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thinking how a pig in a meat factory feels is just speculation

that’s not what i’m saying here. i’m saying that they could be experiencing an immense amount of suffering, but we can’t know if that is saving the world from an even greater suffering sometime in the future.

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And I would say that I am ready to speculate, that stopping this suffering does not conclude to more.

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you can’t really know, though. the model you presented for right behavior precludes you from ever knowing if you’re doing the right thing.

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