Lemdro.id

29 points

11 months ago

Listen I don’t like Biden’s support of Isreal right now either but to not vote for him just because of that is lunacy- allowing Trump to win will result in a genocide within our own nation. Just look at project 2025, the Trump crowd is planning it.

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Uranium3006@kbin.social

3 points

11 months ago

when did I say anything about voting? I’m tired of people shutting down any criticism of Biden because we aren’t allowed to have a primary to replace a shitty candidate who is polling below a generic democrat ahead of an important election

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4 points

11 months ago

Because there are tons of people that aren’t going to vote for Biden over Israel. I’m sorry I just assumed, but I’m so used to people saying “I’m not voting for Biden because of Israel” so I just assumed. I would like Biden to be replaced in the primary with someone better as well, but it’s not going to happen.

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Uranium3006@kbin.social

2 points

11 months ago

biden supporters shouldn’t sweep concerns like that under the rug because that’s how you lose elections. entitlement to people’s votes isn’t a good strategy, and “moderate” (right wing) candidates aren’t actually safer since the median American is progressive based on how they respond to polls on individual issues. I’m sick of having these arguments with biden fans who seem to support him despite these glaring issues. personally I wasn’t gonna vote for him anyways because I live in a deep blue state where it literally doesn’t matter but if we get a fascist takeover of the government because biden lost it’s all on biden fans for their poor choice in candidate and I just hope you’ll join us on the barricades

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1 point

11 months ago

I feel like that fatalistic attitude is too commonplace. That it’s inevitable that fascist takeover, although Biden is not my favorite in any way, shape, or form, I would still have anything other than a fascist takeover with popular support. I feel like that kind of defeatism only sets us up for failure like in the Francoist revolution. Spain’s left was so bitter that they really couldn’t join together when the shit hit the fan.

Chin up man, of course we will join on the barricades if that happens. Don’t let them live in your mind so much, let them “minecraft” in your mind.

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Ann Archy@lemmy.world

0 points

11 months ago

Someone mentioned barricades? I’ve been waiting for the barricades, are they up finally?

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Uranium3006@kbin.social

-1 points

11 months ago

it feels inevitable because spineless liberals roll over and let them get away with nearly everything they’re doing. when are they gonna stand up and say “NO!” already? being nice and civil when they aren’t is just letting them win, and that kills people. treating then any different than nazis is at this point being complicit. it shouldn’t have been allowed to get this far in the first place. spineless liberal “centrists” have been losing to fascists around the globe and contrary to what many Americans believe we have the same laws of physics as the rest of the planet.

we all saw this coming in 2016 with Hillary Clinton but y’all let that go ahead and it didn’t work so we’re in this mess now. Biden barely worked in 2020 and he’s a liability for 2024. it feels like y’all don’t even care and would rather trump in any any sort of progressive candidate. notice how the republicans never try this strategy and still win even when the fundamentals run against them and only get worse. candidate voters like => turnout is a simple formula. taking your voter base’s votes for granted because of flawed game theory and trying to reach for people who aren’t gonna switch doesn’t work well. and the voters you’re losing aren’t the ones who are politically engaged enough to argue politics on the internet. they’re the ones who don’t bother showing up to vote unless they see someone they like because otherwise what’s the point? they think. and they’re not even wrong to feel that way. give people something to vote for and they’ll vote. shame them like this and they don’t.

it’s just basic political science and if you ignore it I’m one of the first into the holocaust centers.

also you’re wrong about Spain but that’s a drunken rant for another post this one’s long enough as is

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2 points

11 months ago

“we all saw this coming in 2016 with Hillary Clinton but y’all let that go ahead and it didn’t work so we’re in this mess now. Biden barely worked in 2020 and he’s a liability for 2024. it feels like y’all don’t even care and would rather trump in any any sort of progressive candidate. notice how the republicans never try this strategy and still win even when the fundamentals run against them and only get worse. candidate voters like => turnout is a simple formula. taking your voter base’s votes for granted because of flawed game theory and trying to reach for people who aren’t gonna switch doesn’t work well. and the voters you’re losing aren’t the ones who are politically engaged enough to argue politics on the internet. they’re the ones who don’t bother showing up to vote unless they see someone they like because otherwise what’s the point? they think. and they’re not even wrong to feel that way. give people something to vote for and they’ll vote. shame them like this and they don’t.”

Oh yeah dude I did that, I voted for Clinton in the primaries over Bernie. I chose Biden because I wanted to make concession to the far right and not because the other option was literally Donald Trump. 🙄 stop projecting your beliefs about Biden voters onto me.

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