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Both Russia and the elected government of Gaza (Hamas) target civilians intentionally. Hamas even targets Gaza hospitals. Probably thought false flagging Israel would be great PR, and it did work well on the worldnews crew.

I’d say Gazas elected government, and Russia are much closer.

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Demographic from Wikipedia:

0–14 years: 44.1% 15–24 years: 21.3% 25–54 years: 28.5% 55–64 years: 3.5% 65 years and over: 2.6%

something like 75% of all Gazans were either not born or not of voting age when the last elections were held 16 years ago.

Goddamned time traveling Palestinians!

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As though this changes the fact that they’re the officially elected government in Gaza and that 57% support them from the latest polling?

Weird perspective.

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damn, imagine you need to justify killing brown people so hard you would use Assad support numbers.

Fun fact, there can be no accurate survey of opinion in a region controlled by a group that kills you for having the wrong one

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Anyone harping on how Hamas is the “elected” government when they haven’t had elections in, what, 16 years, is just simping for Netanyahu’s genocide. I see you felt the need to say “elected” twice just to be really obvious about it.

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It’s important to counter these false narratives being thrown about that they’re not the official elected government with, to this day, majority support amongst residents.

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Lmfaoooo you’re a complete troll. “It’s important to counter false narratives” when every narrative you provide is clearly false.

You are qutie clearly intentionally inciting people, and it isn’t really working in your favour here.

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and the IDF targets civilians even when they aren’t “at war”, your point being?

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Israel targets civilians. The vast majority of buildings targeted by Israel since 7 Oct have been “power targets”, which, by their own definition, are targets that do not have significant military value but have value in that they can destablise civilian life such that the civilians might put pressure on the government to change.

Israel are literally using violence against civilians to achieve a political goal. That is the very definition of terrorism.

No one can argue that the events of 7 October were not terrorism. Roughly 2,000 people invaded Israel to commit terrorist acts. In response, Israel have committed their own form of terrorism and killed 20,000 people, very few of which were actually members of Hamas.

Your argument is a near perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

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Israel is using violence against Hamas. Whos goal is to maximize civilian casualties in the hopes of sparking a wider war and gaining more allies than just Quatar, Iran, Hezbolla, Houthis, Iraq, etc…

They want another coordinated Arab state attack, just like the multiple ones that have failed in the past. Over and over, the Arab states have tried to destroy Israel. Hamas is quite clear they will only rest once Israel is destroyed and the Jews killed.

Israel has been forced by Hamas to fight in the densest urban theater immaginable, again, because Hamas wants to maximize Palestian deaths for PR.

Hamas strips protected targets of their legal status by co-locating. This is by intent.l and designed to spark the kind of outrage you see here among posts falling prey to this tactic and supporting terrorists.

I’m not sure what you want Israel to do? Ignore the attack? That hasn’t worked for all rockets that have been launched at civilians in Israel. It hasn’t worked for all Hamas’s suicide bombers ans bus bombings, etc. It arguably encouraged the October attack by allowing them safe haven over and over. I’m curious what they should do instead?

Hamas could end the violence that’s killing Palestinians today. Easily. Just stop hiding behind them and surrender. But considering they have 57% support among Gaza residents, and the PR is being effective (just look around worldnews), why would they?

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I’m not sure what you want Israel to do? Ignore the attack?

I want Israel to wield their power and superiority in such a way that takes the moral high ground.

Hamas invaded Israel and killed civilians and ransacked their homes.

Israel invaded Gaza, bombing the city and killing civilians before ransacking their (vacant) homes.

Military action should be focused on military objectives. Neither side is doing that, thus both sides should be derided for their actions in this regard. They behave differently, but both share strikingly similar flaws.

Hamas could end the violence that’s killing Palestinians today. Easily. Just stop hiding behind them and surrender.

Israel are far more capable at ending things right now than Hamas. If Hamas surrendered, Israel could easily come up with some other excuse to keep pressing. If Israel stopped, Hamas would not be in a position to perform another 7 Oct attack. Israel are not defending, they are very clearly on the offensive.

At the end of the day, the real goal here is to expend ordinance and buy more, thus financing the weapons industry. An end won’t happen until profit targets are met (assuming the goals don’t just get stretched further).

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Oh, please tell me what you think of IDF killing their own:

An initial IDF probe into the hostage killing incident suggests all three men were shirtless, with one carrying a makeshift white flag.

On seeing them, one Israeli soldier shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces, initiating fire at the men, according to reports.

While two hostages were hit immediately and fell to the ground, the third managed to escape into a nearby building where despite pleas in Hebrew, he was also shot and killed, a military official said.

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In an environment where that’s the standard tactic of Hamas, hide behind civilians, yeah, I understand the friendly fire. This is Hamas. They blew up their own hospital, hoping ppl like worldnews would blame Israel for it… and they did.

If you think that while hiding amongst civilians or while keeping hostages they aren’t trained to try and appear like innocents, then I don’t know how to help you. It’s literally their main tactic.

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wow, we are getting into these conspiracy theories, ya? well I’ll tell you that the IDF killed those 1300 Israelis.

now for some real info: Netanyahu supported Hamas to stay in power by targeting their opposition, there would be no Hamas if not for the Ethnostate government in Israel right now.

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According to the IDF, Hamas did not fire a rocket on the hospital. They attributed that to the Islamist Jihadist group - a separate organisation.

Meanwhile, all the “tunnel networks” under Al Shifa hospital, that Israel touted as proof of Hamas using hospitals for military purposes, were in fact basement operating rooms that Israeli contractors built in the 1980’s, and so far have not been shown to be connected to any military tunnels.

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