Timothy Murray lost his father earlier this year and had been asking his principal for counseling when she called in the police

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This is ontologically and empirically false. I don’t really have time for debunking this incredibly self-masturbatory screed, but holy shit you have no idea about categorisation of beings or an arguments about the wrongness of killing. (You’re not exactly talking to someone as mentally deficient as you).

The cortical organisation argument is simply cherry-picking a worse instance that satisfies the criteria of possibility of human experience. The fact that it is already a human organism is sufficient, especially since cortical organisation doesn’t grant consciousness and even if it did by definition it would fail to describe the wrongness of killing temporarily unconscious humans.

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You clearly don’t even understand the meaning of the words you’re parroting there, to the point that you ended up making the case for even later than 12 weeks abortion.

It really is a case of your own ignorance justifying that others must go to jail.

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“You’re making the case for even later abortion”

Well of course, the 12-week limit is pure horseshit. Literally nobody in ethics makes this argument it’s merely invented by supremely ignorant lay persons to pander to both sides.

You only feel that it is an argument for later abortion, because you are affirming the consequent (a laughably stupid logic error to make) by assuming that abortion is already permissible.

Either killing humans is permissible period or it’s not. Dependency and development arguments fail to provide exceptions that don’t also apply to adults.

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Your argument works by creating your very own definition of what it is to be “a human” to then say “you can’t kill a human”.

Redefining the meaning of the words used and then claiming that you’re right because there exists widelly accepted moral rules which use those words - but not as you defined it to be - isn’t actual logic, it’s wordplay.

The foundation of all your arguments on this is a “trust me” definition of “a human”, provided as an unchallangeable, undetailed and unsubstantiated axion - change that definition to, for example, “a human is somebody born from a woman” and that entire argumentative structure of yours collapses since in that alternative definition until the moment of birth a fetus is a thing, not “a human”.

So you pointedly bypass the actual hard part that matters the most and were the main disagreement is - the whole “when do human cells stop being just cells that happen to have human DNA and become ‘a human’” - with an “it is as I say” definition on top of which you made your entire case. That’s like going “assume the sun is purple” to make the case for painting the walls of a house with a specific color.

All this would be an absolutelly fine and entertaining intellectual game, if you weren’t defending that people should go to Jail when they do not obbey the boundaries derived from your definition of “a human” and treat as “not a human” that which you chose to define as “a human”, which is the logic of the madman.

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