Fixing car and e-bike batteries saves money and resources, but challenges are holding back the industry

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132 points

The whole repair thing should made super easy if we want EVs to succeed.

  1. Make all batteries use an easily swappable set of standard cell sizes.
  2. Make battery controllers standardised and swappable.
  3. …. Er… that’s it.
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62 points

But that will never happen because the EV manufacturers couldn’t charge ridiculous amounts of money for proprietary batteries.

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23 points

That why we need regulators. The market doesn’t magically deal with “Tragedy of the Commons”.

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no that’s communism

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9 points

God forbid that they concentrate on the quality of the basic vehicle instead.

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7 points

Yup… If you can’t compete add tariffs.

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2 points

But you know gubmint regjuleshons are stifling innovation.

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44 points

Make all cars rechargeable with a single charging port. And that port should be USB-C

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40 points

like 50 USB-C cables tied together to output enough of a charge lol

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3 points

The highest available now is 240 W, so with 50 in parallel you get 12 kW. Fast chargers go up to like 300 kW but at home 12 is good enough actually.

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I’ve been surprised by USB-C. I recently bought a Xiaomi phone and it takes like 10 minutes to charge with the charger that comes with the phone (and it still works with the other ones). It’s 120 watts

At that rate it’d still take 12 hours to charge a 1440 watt hour battery, which isn’t the hour or two that people are used to with superchargers these days, but actually surprisingly servicable.

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Can’t wait for all power cables to just be USB-C. I dream for the day where I can charge my phone with the same plug my induction stove uses.

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1 point

If USB-C isn’t powerful enough, I’ll settle for a Lightning connector.

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The one in / from back to the future should be sufficient.

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I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again allow… cars with CATL or Nio battery swap cassettes into the US… It is so dumb that there are different battery setups for every manufacturer … In a Nio I can swap batteries for less than a pack of beer… Why not do that instead of this current BS system where you have only one pack and once that is done it is $10k

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8 points

Looks like for some Ioniq 5’s it’s 60k - more than a new car.

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I also saw that video (note $60k CAD about $42k USD). Hyundai is really going to need to figure things out if they expect Ioniq 5 sales to continue because insurers aren’t going to keep paying out $60k every time someone drives over some road debris and customers aren’t going to be happy about insanely high insurance bills or paying more than the MSRP of their brand new car to replace a single component.

I wonder if the prices are due to Hyundai having supply chain issues and designating every pack toward new vehicles.

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4 points

I heard NIO has this technology already and are looking to standardise it.

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13 points

Every EV has this already. What they don’t have is a standard. Not shockingly, every EV manufacturer will argue why theirs should be the standard.

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The problem with this is that every vehicle would need to be built around the same battery pack dimensions, have the same amp-hour rating, same voltage, same cooling system, etc. I seriously doubt that would ever happen as nothing like that has ever existed in the 120+ years of automotive history.

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Honestly if the department of defense adopts any EVs for troop transport it should come with a forced standardization. Just hand wave it as being for national security and the fact a lot of countries will probably adopt the standard, that should do the trick.

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I’m not so sure.

Are we talking about the same thing, there was a recent Tom Scott video on it.

Basically you drive your NIO into this machine and it removes your battery and replaces it. Then it charges your old one and next time someone drives in they may get your last battery. Since and repeat.

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This was posted to one of the communities I sub to a day ago: https://spectrum.ieee.org/flow-battery-2666672335

This would probably be the best option if it takes off.

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