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Neither Hamas nor the IDF have a moral high ground here. They both need to stop killing civilians.

The one thing both have in common is refusal to take peace talks seriously. Hamas refuses to let go of their hostages, and Israel continues their bombing campaign against Hamas.

Its a difficult situation because these are the “adults” in the room. The civilians involved have little power at all.

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Hamas did let some hostages go fwiw.

Both Hamas and the Israeli government do not want peace, though. They’re on the same side in that. (Hence Israel sending cash and stuff to keep Hamas in power.)

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Israel sending cash…to keep Hamas in power

Oh no…

NYT article (no paywall)

That’s… bad.

Vetted one of the Times’ claims too: the Israeli press decrying the Qatari payments in 2014.

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It’s pretty fucking bad.

The Israeli government directly aided the terrorist attack that killed over 1000 people. They’re not protecting their citizens. Leveling Gaza doesn’t protect shit. They’re not changing their policies. They are a disaster both for the Israeli and Palestinian people.

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Meanwhile Israel has bombed known locations of hostages AND shot a few of them.

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Hell, if anything, hamas is more interested in releasing the hostages than Israel is. They’ve let a few go, meanwhile the idf says “never forget” while turning Gaza into a crater. They don’t give a flying fuck about the hostages.

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Hell, if anything, hamas is more interested in releasing the hostages than Israel is.

What the fuck? Hamas fucking took those hostages to begin with and started this mess.

There’s a comprehensive peace plan proposed by Egypt and Qatar. When Hamas steps up to the table and accepts the peace deal, then maybe you’d have grounds to stand on. But for now, Hamas refuses to give up the hostages, and continues to fight.

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They took hostages for a reason, ostensibly to exchange them for something. Hamas doesn’t want peace though, so why would they care about a peace plan? Also, as mentioned before, they have released a few already.

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Israel tried peace talks for over 60 years. When one side’s non-negotiable is “you all have a to die” it’s hard to secure lasting peace.

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People don’t seem to understand that the Genocide / Nazi argument plays against Hamas, lol.

But yeah, it’s a tough situation. I’d argue that Bibi’s government was pretty shit at pursuing peace though.

But that’s outside the scope of the conflict today. Almost everything has to do with Oct 7th. The good news is that Egypt and Qatar want a peace to work, and as Muslim countries they’re going to be Muslim-favored / more likely to have a lasting effect in the region (rather than say, a US brokered peace deal).

So a path to peace … Or at least a ceasefire in this current flareup in hostilities… still exists. There is reason for hope.

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But yeah, it’s a tough situation. I’d argue that Bibi’s government was pretty shit at pursuing peace though.

Totally. He’s massively implicated in propping up Hamas and undermining support for the non-militant Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. This is well-known in Israel at this point, and one reason for the coming reckoning he’s going to face at the ballot box.

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