TL;DR NY Times predicts trump will remain on the ballet and the ruling will likely have a very narrow basis in hopes of achieving unanimous consensus from the court.

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this tool needs to be used very cautiously because it could be turned to serve evil.

This is literally the entire strategy behind the crypto-fascist movement that is surrounding Donald Trump. These constant attempts to undermine legal safeguards and basterdize the rule of law is meant to erode public trust from all sides of the political paradigm. Any rational person understands that the spirit of the law is meant to prevent the kind of tin-pot dictator Donald Trump would like to become from seizing power. If this same situation had occurred at any other point in United States history he would have been charged with treason. The level of information warfare has so undermined the common sense discourse in this country that I have very little faith we will not slow walk into reality television authoritarianism with about 30% of the stupidest fucking knuckle-draggers among us cheering it on while it happens.

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I appreciate what you’re saying here. However one of the things Trump did was constantly abuse the power of his office. He changed the fucking weather prediction with a sharpie.

The last thing we want is to give someone a tool that can be used without sufficient checks and balances to strike at his political opponents. Because you’re right it’s been plain to see what he’s been up to and a frightening percentage of the citizens are just fine with it.

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Given that, how would you propose we, as a society, deal with someone who is willing to either circumvent or delegitimize any and every legal process that attempts to hold them accountable?

I think it is dangerous to suggest that we should not use any and all legal means provided to us within the constitution to punish those who would seek to undermine our democracy simply because we are afraid they will seek to distort the law to serve their own ends, for they will do so regardless.

At some point I believe there are things worth fighting for, dying for, and even killing for if necessary. It may get to that point, as it has innumerable times before in human history. I would prefer the civilized path where we fight with the law rather than the sword. I’m convinced those who seek to drag us into the dystopian breach are counting on the fear and inaction of the general public, and that may be our undoing.

Some fights are about the principal of the thing, and it is better to suffer the consequences that may come from trying rather than allowing society to quietly march towards fascism for the second time in as many centuries.

Edit: Also, I’m not the one downvoting you. I appreciate the dialogue even if we disagree.

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There just needs to be due process to make it harder to abuse. Now arguably there has been due process at least in Colorado, it’s a factual finding that he engaged in insurrection there. I’m here for it. I just suspect the Supreme Court will find a way to invalidate that, and I suspect it will hinge on the fact that he never was formally tried for insurrection, rather the case was essentially “we all saw him commit the crime so he can’t hold the office.” But we can have a murder on film with a closeup of a person’s face and they still get a formal trial to defend themselves. We saw it with our own eyes is not sufficient to bypass a trial unless a trigger-happy cop feels sufficiently threatened.

Edit: that being said, when it was used against civil war criminals, I don’t believe there was any official finding of insurrection there either, so that might be a harder argument than I think.

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Any due process right an insurrectionist has to appear on the ballot is vitiated (or not) by the administrative legal process for ballot access provided by each secretary of state’s office.

The notice and opportunity to be heard was the notice provided by the secretary of state’s office when it made the rules implementing the state’s ballot access statutes.

The right to due process during the adjudication of that decision is vitiated (or not) in the administrative appeals process which usually begins within the agency and ends in the state’s appellate courts and at SCOTUS.

Due process is what Trump is getting right now by bringing legal challenges.

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I find this a compelling argument. Thank you. It would be really silly to argue before SCOTUS that you’ve been denied due process.

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