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No bank in the world is going to hand anybody millions (never mind over a billion) without some reasonable assurance it can be paid back one way or another.

If he was in real estate, they’re taking his property.

IIRC, the advice was basically a recipe for overleveraging yourself in debt trying to make money with “throw everything and see what sticks” (and then blaming them for not being “savy” enough when it becomes apparent they can’t manage the debt.)

Which is what happened to a friend of mine that kept bouncing from one self help book to the next (he was a big fan of what’s-his-but-zero-debt-guy until his church group read it.)

“It really resonated with what you said… I have a responsibility to my kids!”

“Uhm, I was talking about not having a third when you already need help with two.”

“No no. I get it now…” (and now we’re not friends because he asks for advice, doesn’t listen to it and blames you for when it doesn’t work. It also wasn’t about finances per se.)

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No bank in the world is going to hand anybody millions (never mind over a billion) without some reasonable assurance it can be paid back one way or another.

You say that, but Deutsche Bank and others have been very happy to loan Trump money over the years and they must know he won’t pay it back.

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… but Deutsche Bank and others have been very happy to launder payments from Russian mobsters via unpaid loans …

FTFY

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Some of those loans are predicated on extremely inflated business dealings. For example, in the NY fraud trial, the collateral was Trump’s properties. Some of those loans, as already mentioned, were also straight up bribes.

also its extremely unlikely this guy is going to be somebody that people want to bribe. Remember, mortgages count against networth, so this guy isn’t that rich.

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They likely make him pledge something as collateral. I doubt they’re just giving him unsecured loans just for fun

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He was committing fraud. That’s why Deutsche Bank no longer does business with the Trump organization.

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No that’s because the fraud got discovered. Else they would still do business with Trump. They were likely giving Trump Russian money as “loans”.

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Tell me you have no idea what’s actually going on without saying you have no idea what’s actually going on…

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Please do educate me.

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It was basically instructions on how to become a grifter, with very little actionable advice. Here is a podcast the breaks down books like this.

https://pod.link/1651876897/episode/1a9316ba1134a0c2484e8fc6e416b978

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To be fair, a lot- probably most- of the self-help book authors are at least toeing the line of grifter. and a fairly large number straight up are.

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Remember we’re probably not talking about a single person, but an company. His company is likely over valued because of how famous his books/seminars are. And yes, while he probably has real estate, it’s probably not the same business. When they come after him, they probably hit one side of the business and not the other.

It’s very possible someone gave him a ton of loans that are undeserved because they overvalued the names. We see it all the time in the stock market.

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Given what I understand of his ‘advice’… he may not in fact be smart enough to split his assets up like that. Also, if you do split up your assets into LLCs or whatever; then they’re loaning to the LLC, and they will be looking at its financial ability to pay back… banks are generally rather careful with these kinds of things.

if he’s using [assets of company a] to inflate the [assets of company b] (IE IP on his books etc,) then that’s fraud.

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You have a lot of confidence in the financial system and I wonder given what is known if it is justified

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