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I still wonder how many idiots will not only vote for donnie (or sit out) because of Gaza, or - just as stupidly - vote for donnie because “Bidenflation” and little d’s supposedly “great policies” I keep hearing he supposedly had.

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If genocide isn’t your red line you are not a good person. Had this happened under Trump, liberals would be demanding action instead of demanding a vote for the condoner of those deaths.

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i don’t know if you know this, but Biden isn’t president of israel or gaza

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How many dollars of military sales to Israel has Biden approved?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-biden-administration-once-again-bypasses-congress-on-an-emergency-weapons-sale-to-israel

You’re delusional if you think the US doesn’t have any influence on the behavior of Israel.

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But Biden controls the purse strings of the money going to Israel and the weapons being given to them to commit genocide

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Biden when people protest at his events: Maybe possibly sometime in the future I should look into this potentially maybe. Trump when people protest at his events: sends in unmarked police officers with military equipment and federal backing to arrest anyone they want for no reason in the city the protesters might be from.

I like having a President that allows me my Constitutional Freedoms while protesting for change so I can continue bringing the topic up until something happens.

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You must be talking about protesters protesting Genocide then getting arrested for exercising those constitutional rights?

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Trump would do the same. There is no choice in the presidential election you can make that will prevent genocide. Biden supports Israel. Trump supports Israel. Not voting means one will get in. Voting third party won’t do anything until we can get RCV, approval, or STAR voting to happen.

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No, Trump will be far worse. If any of these people actually care about doing something that has any possibility whatsoever of preserving Palestinian lives, they would shut the fuck up and vote for Biden. Then they can spend four years grooming the next progressive candidates that they want to run and support them in the primary.

They want to sit out so they can tell everyone they’re better than them because they didn’t vote for the guy who’s not stopping genocide, when the reality is that their inaction could very well lead to another Trump presidency. Then we go from not stopping genocide, to becoming an active participant.

That’s why I think these people (well, the ones who are genuine, not all the astroturfers here that are concern trolling to get people to question their support for Biden) don’t actually care about Palestinian lives and are doing this more out of a personal desire to avoid guilt.

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There are degree’s of response to genocide. If you think you Trump will have a harsher response towards Israel’s genocide than Biden, then you should definitely vote for Trump or not vote for Biden.

But make no mistake: not voting for Biden isn’t a condemnation of Biden’s response to the genocide, it’s an endorsement of how you think Trump will respond.

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I dont give a fuck what Trump might do, he’s not the one allowing it to happen right now.

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The United States has been committing genocides since before there was a United States. If you want something different you’re gonna have to move.

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So just accept it because that’s what theyve always done?

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Exactly, you’re right; this is exactly why we need to do everything we can to make sure Trump doesn’t win. Really good point.

Right now, that means voting for Joe Biden.

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You vote for genocide, I’ll keep my conscience clear.

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And the option this fall, as a voter, is…what? Let little d win?

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Yeah that’s what these people want. They are concern trolling in order to get other people to second guess their support for Biden. They could not care less about Palestinian lives. If they did, they wouldn’t be doing everything in their power to get Trump elected.

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So do you have any constructive paths forward?

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