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Criticizing is great, putting it like OP with “they’re the same, democrats just put on a hat” is dishonest and reductionist. This kind of thing actively causes harm and plays into the hands of the party that’s objectively worse for anyone that’s not rich.

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This kind of thing actively causes harm and plays into the hands of the party that’s objectively worse for anyone that’s not rich.

No, you.

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

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No shit, Sherlock. And that’s why you’re helping the fascists with this comparison. You’re working in a two party system, being an idiot about how to actually change shit.

You’re not changing the one party that can be used for change for the better, you’re just whining and making them seek votes elsewhere.

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You don’t change anything when you are conveniently forbidden from criticism.

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Criticizing is great, putting it like OP with “they’re the same, democrats just put on a hat” is dishonest and reductionist.

It’s really not. My favourite example is Roe v. Wade - how long did democrats have to fix it? How long did they use it in their campaigns in the lines of “if you don’t vote democrats, republicans will overturn it”?

Yeah, they’re the better choice, for sure, but they’re not a good choice.

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And your own words show exactly what I mean.

There’s a marked difference between lazy fucks who didn’t properly bring it across the finish line and people actively working to make things worse. Correct my believe if I’m wrong: unless it’s a constitutional amendment, laws are fairly easy to overturn still.

And to ‘how many years’… How many years did people have to vote for progressive candidates in the lower levels to change the actual base of the party to where they want it to be? How many years have the voters not used to make it the party they want it to be?

This kinda shit is so fucking often due to progressives wanting things to be a certain way, but not putting in the legwork because “it’s a lost cause anyway”. With the democrats you have a chance to change the party into the progressive direction. Take an example from those maga assholes - it doesn’t take a lot of them to shift the republicans to be even worse.

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There’s a marked difference between lazy fucks who didn’t properly bring it across the finish line and people actively working to make things worse.

Yes, there’s a difference between perpetrators and bystanders who can help but choose not to.

But the bystanders keep expecting praise for helping when they haven’t.

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This argument would be fine if the DNC actually let people select progressive candidates. But they almost never do. The DNC is controlled by committee, not by democracy, ironically.

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