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I get your point. You’re saying that “subliminal” wokeness is better than “in your face” wokeness because the later messes with the core of the series.

Honestly, I agree. Unless it is a show dedicated to social issues like racism, sexism or homphobia, try to keep the wokeness subliminal. Just show that it’s fine for these things to happen, that it is normal and acceptable, that it isn’t a big deal. Don’t make it the whole show, it’s just awkward.

I prefer when they show me what reality should be like. LGBTQ people in our social groups as if nothing special was happening at all. Once it becomes preachy and brainwashy, I’m out.

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That’s what they did. Stamets and Culber were just there. Grey and Adira were just there. They used elements of the symbiote story as an allagory but their NB status just was. It seems like you’re making it bigger in your mind.

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I’m assuming you’re not a racist or homophobic so how can something that’s true “become brainwashy”? Doesn’t brainwashing imply a reduction in critical thinking? You may not like the “preachy” way facts are presented but they are still facts. Forcefully pushing ideas is preaching, not brainwashing.

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I think it is forced exposure, trying to program people. I don’t think it is bad if it helps spread tolerance, I just don’t enjoy watching stuff that forcefully pushes ideas, even if I agree with those ideas.

I think that’s exactly what the people calling this “too woke” are about. Like, exposure is so forced and obvious that it ruins the show for them. It doesn’t feel like a show anymore, more like advertisement for ideologies.

I don’t think they are saying “please no homosexuals on TV”, they are saying “please, focus on the plot, not on the social issues that surround homosexuality”.

As for my personal preference, I’ve always thought sex in movies is just awkward in general.

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Since these characters were introduced people have said what you’re saying over and over. Always with the same “I don’t have a problem with gay/trans/NB but…” disclaimer. Then they refuse to give examples of the characters doing anything other than existing. This thread is a good example. Please refresh my memory. Which episode(s) focus “on the social issues that surround homosexuality.”

Outside of the scene where Adira tells Stamets their pronouns and the use of those pronouns, give me one line, in one scene, in one episode, of one season that would have to be changed if Adira was a cis straight human woman hosting the symbiote of her deceased cis straight Trill boyfriend.

Give me one line, in one scene, in one episode, of one season that would have to be changed if either Stamets or Culber was a woman.

To be clear, although I don’t remember any, I’m not saying you couldn’t find any examples. I’m just curious what constitutes “forced and obvious” plot elements that are “advertisement(s) for ideologies” that “ruins the show” for you.

Without examples all anyone hears is you bitching about the existence of these characters the way Archie Bunker would have bitched about Uhura simply existing.

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