Lemdro.id

-2 points

8 months ago

believe it or not, most homeless people aren’t hard drug users

But a lot of chronic hard drug users are homeless.

All I’m saying is I agree it’s not simple, and there would need to be a system in place to mitigate those complexities. These are the types of concerns that voters on these projects would have.

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tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de

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7 points

8 months ago

Do you think it is easier to adress drug abuse, when people on top of it lack a home and the basic safety and comfort it provides?

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0 points

8 months ago

No, and I never claimed that was the case.

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xor@infosec.pub

1 point

8 months ago

weird how you replied to the last sentence, but not the middle

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1 point

8 months ago

I agree it’s not simple, and there would need to be a system in place to mitigate those complexities. These are the types of concerns that voters on these projects would have.

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xor@infosec.pub

2 points

8 months ago

there would have to be social workers involved… transition type helpers and different types of housing…

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0 points

8 months ago

And when residents refuse those services? When they simply want to take the free space and be allowed to continue whatever pattern in their life led to their current circumstances?

A lot of the times that wouldn’t be an issue- people using the resources available to uplift themselves(the majority, I’d argue) will stay for the time they need, and move on when they’re back on their feet.

It’s the ones who have no interest in getting back on their feet that would be the source of problems, and there has to be a way to deal with that.

The worst case scenario is that over time, each residence will eventually be filled by someone who takes it for granted and does not use the opportunity to improve. And all the while they’re there, there could be another individual that could use the same housing and actually progress their lives.

Seriously talk to anyone who actually works with the homeless or in social services, these are the pragmatic problems of public services.

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xor@infosec.pub

3 points

8 months ago

be allowed to continue whatever pattern in their life led to their current circumstances?

you’re speaking from complete ignorance.
drug addiction in america is already a disability and you can get section-8 housing for it… it’s just a shitty little one bedroom apartment…
and people still use drugs in there. the major difference is: they’re not shooting up at the bus stop and sleeping there…
they also have access to safer things like methadone and people are able to reach out to them.
when it comes to “these whatever pattern led to this”, you’re using blame-the-victim language. most homeless people have mental health issues… other disabilities, or just fell on hard times.
but most if these problems can be helped, and these people are better able to help themselves when they’re not spending all their time looking for food.
consider how likely you are to “get a job” when you walk into a place with a backpack, dirty clothes, unwashed, and completely shellshocked from sleeping on the streets.
it can definitely be done, but that requires a lot of things that most homeless people simply don’t have…
if you meet these people’s basic, most minimum, lower level of maslow’s hierarchy, then they can begin to think about the other problems that led to their patterns in life.
if they’re content with some little apartment and minimal food and whatnot? then that’s not really a big deal… let them live

it’s not at all what you imagine. people aren’t out there because they’re lazy.

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0 points

8 months ago

you’re speaking from complete ignorance.

You know nothing about me or my life, but I’ll tell you this is the dumbest thing you’ve said so far.

I agree with what you’re saying and I’m telling you that these systems break down when they get taken advantage of without any kind of oversight- up to and including section 8 housing.

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