I don’t know much about the armenian genocide, always thought that was the Turkish nationalists thing.
I don’t know who you’ve been talking to or what they’ve been saying. I do know that an astounding number of people who’ve written extensively on the famine calling it holodomor have turned around in the last twenty years, usually after seeing soviet records, and said “well, it’s not actually a genocide”.
I understand how it feels to hear someone say that an atrocity is made up or deserved. Maybe we both have the same holocaust denying uncle. The difference here is that one was confirmed explicitly in record and the other was not.
It’s real disheartening seeing people try that buffoonish no true scotsman garbage but what can you do. Nothing derails a head full of steam over wages like six hundred words on the gonzolites.
Tbh I’m not sure why they usually deny that one either, but for some reason they are commonly linked when I find those people in the wild, honestly I was hoping you could tell me lol.
You do indeed seem different, even though I’m still not sold on the whole “holodomor wasn’t a genocide” thing, but still you’re not the same as them at least, so that’s cool.
If you get a chance, read wheatcrofts responses to his own damn book years of hunger. He’s no commie and speaks fluent russian and was one of the important people involved in figuring out the archives after the ussr fell.
When he came out and said something to the effect of “it might have been uncaring murderous stalinist policy but it doesn’t rise to the level of genocide” the whole western historical community did a spit take.
Better yet, stop engaging in polemic with communists and just read history and theory instead.
Ah ok, I’ll read that, but imo that sounds like “it might have been light genocide, but it wasn’t real genocide™” so far.
Still my point stands though, them simply saying that “the holodomor is western propaganda” without then saying “it was just murderous and uncaring stalinists” sounds like denial, especially if they then don’t continue with “and it was bad” but rather “and Stalin was the best.” Whether or not that denial is “genocide denial” or “murderous uncaring stalinist denial” matters little to me.
I’ve read some, albeit not everything and I never will, as I prefer individual liberty to collectivism personally and that is a difference too fundimental to overcome. Agorists are alright, I prefer their approach.
