Lemdro.id

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9 months ago

I’m not even sure what these have to do with modern Israel, which is ideologically a late 19th/early 20th endeavor.

You don’t think that the established Jewish territory prior to and during the 20th century has anything to do with modern Israel? You think that the revitalization of a Jewish homeland was unique to Zionist ideology when their occupation of both Galilee and Jerusalem was sanctioned by the Ottomans in 1534-1742?

You can’t have a Jewish majority state in Palestine without kicking Palestinians out of their home; it’s just not physically possible.

Of course you can, you just need more than one state. This had been the plan instituted by the British, but the British Mandatory authorities strayed from the plan as I already stated.

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NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social

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1 point

9 months ago

Of course you can, you just need more than one state.

No, because like I said you can’t have a state without a majority, or at least a significant minority, of Palestinians. It’s geographically impossible. That goes directly counter to the Zionist goal of a Jewish state with as many Jews and as few Palestinians as possible.

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9 months ago

Completely baseless. Take it up with the British Mandate authority and the League of Nations that wanted them to be able to stand on their own.

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NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social

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2 points

9 months ago

I mean yes I do think the British and the League of Nations are as responsible for the current state of Palestine as Zionists.

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9 months ago

It’s a hard problem to solve. Every time Jews had established themselves in the area they got conquered or kicked out, who’s to say it wouldn’t have just happened again? And it doesn’t help that 5 Arab nations initiated a war of extermination before Zionists had the chance to expose these alleged intentions of ethnic-cleansing. In fact, Israel’s actions of returning land they had captured whenever Arabs went to war with them seemed to be in direct contradiction of the allegations.

When I examine the entire chain of events, I see two sides that had unrelenting ideologies. Not one.

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NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social

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1 point

9 months ago

Every time Jews had established themselves in the area they got conquered or kicked out, who’s to say it wouldn’t have just happened again?

What? Palestine has had Jews ever since the Arab conquest.

And it doesn’t help that 5 Arab nations initiated a war of extermination before Zionists had the chance to expose these alleged intentions of ethnic-cleansing.

Uh… There had been numerous massacres before Arab involvement in the war. Remember Dier Yassin?

In early April 1948, the Israelis launched Plan Dalet, a large-scale offensive to capture land and empty it of Palestinian Arabs.

In fact, Israel’s actions of returning land they had captured whenever Arabs went to war with them seemed to be in direct contradiction of the allegations.

Uh… What? Israel definitely didn’t return that land because they wanted to. Just look at the Golan Heights.

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9 months ago

What? Palestine has had Jews ever since the Arab conquest.

And? Babylonian, Greek, Roman, and Byzantine conquests? Crusades? Ottomans deporting them from Tel Aviv and Gaffa? We just went over this, keep up.

Uh… There had been numerous massacres before Arab involvement in the war. Remember Dier Yassin?

Remember the Hebron massacre in 1929 and 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine that I mentioned? Remember the Hebron massacre of 1834? 1921 Jaffa riots? Stop playing games.

In early April 1948, the Israelis launched Plan Dalet, a large-scale offensive to capture land and empty it of Palestinian Arabs.

“According to the Israeli Yehoshafat Harkabi, Plan Dalet called for the conquest of Arab towns and villages inside and along the borders of the area allocated to the proposed Jewish State in the UN Partition Plan.[4] In case of resistance, the population of conquered villages was to be expelled outside the borders of the Jewish state. If no resistance was met, the residents could stay put, under military rule.[qt 1][5][6][7]”

Nonviolent occupation under UN sanctions. Really spooky stuff.

Uh… What? Israel definitely didn’t return that land because they wanted to. Just look at the Golan Heights.

You’re going to have to provide sources for this. You’re genuinely coming across as extremely predisposed to pardon any attempt of complete, violent obliteration by Israel’s neighbors. It’s fascinating to watch though.

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