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Well then you shouldn’t use them as synonims because they are fundamentally different ideologies.

Again, why would we care about their game and scoring goals in it or not when we know they can move the goalposts at any time? The whole optics game is rigged in their favour, so don’t play. Leftist ideas are sane, they are the ones misrepresenting them as insane, no matter how logical they are. They have massive funding and a giant media machine to push it. Fuck them.

Do what is right. Simple.

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Yes, the game is rigged in their favour, absolutely. The problem is that their ideas will not change, they are conservative, they conserve their ideas.

It’s the responsibility of the ones who can change, to be smarter about it. If we sink to their level, we are no better than them.

Progressives are smarter, but we’re not acting like it. That’s why I’m saying we need to be better at policing our own, it’s all about mitigating needless stupidity.

Also, outside of America, liberal and leftist are essentially synonymous, so that’s why I used it. But it’s my fault for not remembering America makes a very different distinction.

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How are we not acting smart by saying “black lives matter” and “trans women are women”? These are great, simple and to the point slogans.

The only way they can be seen as controversial is of you don’t agree with these statements because you believe that black lives dont matter and that trans women aren’t “real women”. So that would make you a right-winger.

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You hit the nail on the head.

Black Lives Matter invoked a response which was “All Lives Matter” - it drowned out the sound of the cause to those who aren’t initiated.

“Trans-women are women” naturally begs the question of what a real woman is and implies trans-women are real-women. Those on the left don’t have a problem with this, but those on the right smell something deceptive happening.

The whole point of what I’m getting at is that there are moderate right-wingers who have been convinced by those more malicious right-wingers that the left is stupid because they say stupid things.

This is a war of optics, it’s why the right is parroting the same crimes to Biden, what Trump was accused of.

I really don’t think there’s anything controversial about saying the progressives need to continue to make progress.

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European here. They are absolutely not synonymous. Where I grew up liberals are the right wing, with socialists on the left and religious party on the center.

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That’s the liberal party, same in Australia.

However, when I say liberal I mean it as an ideology, which is very much leftist:

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