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American Liberals are a different thing from those who subscribe to (non-American) liberal ideology.

Democrats have a really low bar to score. “Not Trump” is shockingly low. Leftists are in agreement, “not Trump” is better than “Trump”.

I really don’t think the democrats need to do much at all to convince the left, besides remind everyone how fucked it was four years ago.

I think it’s more important to prevent people migrating to the right (as we see with GenZ Andrew Tate fans), and pull in as many moderate right-wingers as possible.

It seems impossible at first glace, but I’ve seen viseos of republicans openly trying to convince their peers that Trump deceived them. It gives me a sliver of hope.

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Liberals are liberals, no matter the country. Liberalism refers to a Capitalist ideology centered around individual freedom and private property rights, and it originated in the Enlightenment.

Gen Z is more leftist than it is fascist. There’s a reactionary rise in fascism as fascism is really just a response to the decay of Capitalism and the rise in Socialism, as the bourgeoisie protects itself violently.

American liberals are not a different thing.

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I’m just tired of discussing semantics at this point so I just don’t care enough to argue about what Liberal means.

I learned my lesson, I cannot use that word online to express what the definition of Liberal means to me based on the contexts of how it was used academically/philosophically.

GenZ is generally more progressive, but there has been a worrying rise in anti-feminism within GenZ men. The amount may be small in relation, but the fact that it is rising at all is concerning.

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Liberal, as it was and always has been used academically and philosophically, refers to Liberalism, an ideology centered around private property rights and individual liberty as core values.

You are using it as a synonym for open-minded and forward thinking, which are certainly good traits, but not exclusive to nor expressive of leftism. Leftism is about worker ownership of the Means of Production, plain and simple.

As for Gen Z, yes, there is a rising reactionary movement just as there is a rising Leftist movement. Socialism is more popular than ever among Gen Z. The fact that fascism is also rising, albeit at a slower pace, among Gen Z is just a symptom of the rising Socialist sympathies. Fascism has always been expressed as a defense against rising Socialist sympathies as the bourgeoisie violently protects itself. People don’t just decide to become fascist, nor do they just decide to become Socialist.

History is driven by material conditions, not by people and ideals. Look for root causes.

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Liberalism doesn’t start with capitalism. This is just bad political science people on the Internet love to repeat. Liberalism revolves around the idea of individual liberty, from which the idea of property rights commonly emerges. Capitalism is arguably a corruption of some subset of these ideals, but is in no way a necessary outcome of individual liberty.

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I would add that when the ideas were first conceived, property ownership was a progressive measure, as opposed to the ruling party owning all the lands.

If you take the intent behind the outcome, you get the definition I posted.

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You’re confusing a few of my points here.

Capitalism is not a necessary outcome of individual liberty, correct! However, liberalism itself was focused on many things, such as private property rights and Capitalism itself. Liberalism is not just individual liberty.

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