Comment by DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz on Biden's upcoming physical exam will not include a cognitive test, White House says

You guys aren’t wrong, definitely a genocide. I’m balancing foreign genocide vs potential domestic civil war and/or successful authoritarian coup, both of which seem like a remarkably high probability by my estimation. We’ve got the groundwork in place. The redcaps are ready to rise up and have been for a while now, they just need marching orders and a coherent mass.

I wish to christ this wasn’t the equation I was balancing. But it is. I’m voting for not-gop, which happens to take the form of fucking dARK bRANDON.

I don’t think you actually believe this.

Have you even armed yourself yet?

I refuse to answer that question.

Fair.

Don’t forget to make a lot of friends for playing PvP with. In Minecraft I mean.

Don’t ask stupid fucking questions on clearnet, comrade. OpSec. Look it up.

Easy. I already said it’s fair if you don’t want to answer the question.

I’m just skeptical of people who say they believe Trump is a fascist threat and their response is to vote. If we’re on the verge of a takeover we can’t just wait until November to do something about it.

My official, considered response is definitely “Voting is the legally prescribed method for correction.” Why did they include the second amendment if it’s not legal to use? 🤷‍♀️

Your skepticism is valuable and appropriate. Violating opsec is not.

opsec? lol we’re all anonymous here

I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Edit: It occurs to me that you might just be young enough for it not to be common knowledge that the NSA is spying on everything you do, and not merely gullible. They have tapped your phone and are listening in. They are monitoring your internet activity. They are recording all of it and are becoming increasingly sophisticated at analyzing the data in enormous quantities.

Thing is that Biden has been in office for over three years, and all the trends leading towards the outcomes you’ve noted have only gotten worse in that time.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m asking what the alternative/s is/are.

Same solution as people faced under every oppressive regime. Organize, educate, and build a worker movement. You can start reading about how worker movements were organized in US back in 1930s that lead to the New Deal.

Sure, and I’m amazed to see the recent resurgence in successful union organization. I was told about company towns in high school, but what they didn’t teach me in high school is how those company towns were defeated. You’re right, I love that alternative. Now how do I wake up my friends and neighbors? I’ve been woken up to the dangers here. They haven’t, and when I attempt, they resist like I’m asking them to put on the glasses.

Not everybody is going to be receptive, especially if they’re not experiencing the problems you’re concerned with themselves. The best strategy is to focus on people who are already starting to question things and to help them develop a better understanding of what’s happening and what effective actions they can take. Ultimately, every movement starts with a few people and then grows as the ideas spread. It’s very likely there are orgs around you that you could participate with. So, that’s certainly something to consider.

How best can I identify these people? I’ve made it clear I don’t trust the internet or “apps” or whatever. Nobody seems to want to communicate or meet up face-to-face or via any other trustworthy medium for a huge variety of reasons, most predominantly simple inconvenience, which is… disheartening. I’ve tried organizing directly in my workplaces before. I’ve been “unofficially warned” several times and outright fired twice. I’ve gone to city council meetings which were remarkably similar to parks and rec’s representation without the comic relief. I’ve tried speaking directly with my neighbors as tenants, who are usually totally disinterested because, like you stated, they aren’t experiencing the same problems, or, because of political affiliation, are actively hostile to the proposal. The one guy I spoke to that was actually interested in principle said that the legal protections afforded to tenant organizations in my state were so poor that it positively allows retaliation, and that he didn’t feel safe organizing under those conditions, which I can’t blame him for. Organizing with the democrats is… Well, I don’t organize with the democrats, despite my nose-holding at the polling station.

So how do I identify these people? Where are they? I’m genuinely terrified of approaching the “wrong” person. I’m also apprehensive about being a leader, which I fear is actually called for in this situation since I don’t see anyone else stepping up to take a swing around here.

Overthrowing capitalism.

They’re either not going to respond, or provide a solution which helps Trump (“vote third party”, “Don’t vote!”).

The 2 party system of the US is what’s causing this issue. If there was a way for multiple parties to exist in the US, Biden would have to worry about a non Trump candidate who would advocate for all the similar things as him, while also agreeing that what Israel is doing is genocide.

The reality is: either vote Biden to push for a Democratic president who is slowly moving towards criticizing Israel, or vote for Trump to push a Republican president who would probably be completely fine with Israel’s genocide so long as Netanyahu say’s he’s a nice guy.

Palestinians pushing to oust Biden are either knowingly or unknowingly pushing to have continued genocide under the leadership of a republican president.

Regardless, I feel for the Palestinian people’s frustrations. The US is providing support for genocide, even if the Biden administration and congress are slowly beginning to criticize Israel.

or vote for Trump to push a Republican president who would probably be completely fine with Israel’s genocide so long as Netanyahu say’s he’s a nice guy.

I guess you’re trying to insult me. Feel free to correct me. Otherwise your lack of a real response just proves me right.

The reality is that it doesn’t matter how many parties you have. What matters is whose interests these parties represent, which is governed by who has actual political leverage. In pretty much every western society, large capitalists are the ones who control the political system. These are the people who own the media, pay for political campaigns, lobbying, and other forms of political influence. The working majority has little leverage within a system where money plays such a disproportionate role. The political system is built by the class that holds power in society and it’s built to function in the interest of this class.

they just need marching orders and a coherent mass

They’re not going to be permitted to be organized in any meaningful way. All they’re gonna do is stochastic terrorism and isolated hate crimes. What are they gonna do, institute fascism? We’re already there. That’s why they were handled with kid gloves in the Capitol building, it’s theirs already. Corporations already run both capitalist parties and they’ll manipulate the masses to preserve the status quo. Who would a civil war be between? Who would be permitted by our corporate overlords to organize such a thing? What would their goals be? The real threat of fascism is once we hit the next depression and mass discontent needs to be smothered with totalitarian nationalism.

I mostly agree with you. But this idea of “permission” doesn’t grok. They don’t need legal/corporate permission if they’re being not-so-secretly empowered by the fascist mechanisms you have already alluded to. They don’t need law if their organization is more powerful than (or actively colluding with) the enforcers of that law. If your alternative is overthrowing capitalism, is it such a stretch of the imagination that their solution is overthrowing democracy?

I don’t know where the battle lines would be drawn. I’ve heard people make good-sounding arguments for urban vs rural, but I think the states supporting texas’ border… policy… demonstrate an alarming willingness to defy federal authority. Further, the fact Brandon hasn’t yet recalled them is powerfully suggestive, in my opinion, that he doesn’t actually have de facto command of these units, despite his supposed authority as commander in chief. Further still, this article was incredibly chilling for me to read. We have acted on precisely none of these excellent suggestions since they were made three years ago. I don’t hold out hopeful prospects of a peaceful solution here. The most likely avenue for peace qua peace in my opinion, is probably through a bloodless authoritarian coup. It would be a mistake to allow such an event to take place.

This isn’t hexbear, it’s fediverse. I’m on mander, you’re on hexbear (which I wouldn’t deign to visit and only extend grudging tolerance to users thereof on good behavior), the post is on lemmy.ml. You betray your ignorance about more than just federated networking here.

Anyway, if democracy is overthrown then what does it fucking matter who I vote for?

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Unless you’re wealthy, it doesn’t matter who you vote for. Your interests are not represented, and will not be represented. This isn’t accidental, this is the system working as intended (See: Federalist 10). The US constitution was created by wealthy white men to enshrine the minority power of wealthy white men as the law of the land.

The good news is that political activity is not just limited to voting! Voting in federal elections is mostly a waste of time, as the differences between candidates and major parties is largely just rhetorical. If you must vote, concentrate on local elections, where you might be able to fend off the interests of the powerful landlord and corporate lobbies. But, there’s much more you can do! It just requires you to put in effort personally. Political organizing largely can’t be done at a keyboard. You need to talk to and form relationships with your coworkers and neighbors. Organize a union at work, a tenants’ union among your neighbors, undertake the task of actually educating yourself politically, feed the unhoused and treat them like human beings. Engage in direct action against the power elite who are killing us and our planet.

Regardless of what task you set yourself to, it requires you to , and engage with other human beings.

You guys aren’t wrong, definitely a genocide. I’m balancing foreign genocide vs potential domestic civil war and/or successful authoritarian coup, both of which seem like a remarkably high probability by my estimation. We’ve got the groundwork in place. The redcaps are ready to rise up and have been for a while now, they just need marching orders and a coherent mass.

I wish to christ this wasn’t the equation I was balancing. But it is. I’m voting for not-gop, which happens to take the form of fucking daRk BraNdOn.

lol.

edit: Also question from the back. Why are you voting for a genocide for the sanctity of your right to vote for the person committing a genocide? Is it to make yourself sound like Christ sacrificing yourself for the sanctity of democratic norms which have resulted in the 99% Hitler you’re voting for committing genocide?

There’s no sanctity. Don’t put words in my mouth. If you disagree with me take me up with the things I actually said.

Edit: Oh. Hexbear. You’re not prepared to argue in good faith. Goodbye.

You’re right, there is no sanctity. There’s a genocidal freak about to legally sign onto it and he’s lecturing us about morality. So go on you fucking monster.

I unblocked you just so I could drop this on your bitch ass. Enjoy your meme!

God that’s a tagline. Aren’t you the most self-righteous demon that ever crawled out of reddit.

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