Lemdro.id

1 point

9 months ago

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m asking what the alternative/s is/are.

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7 points

9 months ago

Same solution as people faced under every oppressive regime. Organize, educate, and build a worker movement. You can start reading about how worker movements were organized in US back in 1930s that lead to the New Deal.

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9 months ago

Sure, and I’m amazed to see the recent resurgence in successful union organization. I was told about company towns in high school, but what they didn’t teach me in high school is how those company towns were defeated. You’re right, I love that alternative. Now how do I wake up my friends and neighbors? I’ve been woken up to the dangers here. They haven’t, and when I attempt, they resist like I’m asking them to put on the glasses.

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3 points

9 months ago

Not everybody is going to be receptive, especially if they’re not experiencing the problems you’re concerned with themselves. The best strategy is to focus on people who are already starting to question things and to help them develop a better understanding of what’s happening and what effective actions they can take. Ultimately, every movement starts with a few people and then grows as the ideas spread. It’s very likely there are orgs around you that you could participate with. So, that’s certainly something to consider.

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9 months ago

How best can I identify these people? I’ve made it clear I don’t trust the internet or “apps” or whatever. Nobody seems to want to communicate or meet up face-to-face or via any other trustworthy medium for a huge variety of reasons, most predominantly simple inconvenience, which is… disheartening. I’ve tried organizing directly in my workplaces before. I’ve been “unofficially warned” several times and outright fired twice. I’ve gone to city council meetings which were remarkably similar to parks and rec’s representation without the comic relief. I’ve tried speaking directly with my neighbors as tenants, who are usually totally disinterested because, like you stated, they aren’t experiencing the same problems, or, because of political affiliation, are actively hostile to the proposal. The one guy I spoke to that was actually interested in principle said that the legal protections afforded to tenant organizations in my state were so poor that it positively allows retaliation, and that he didn’t feel safe organizing under those conditions, which I can’t blame him for. Organizing with the democrats is… Well, I don’t organize with the democrats, despite my nose-holding at the polling station.

So how do I identify these people? Where are they? I’m genuinely terrified of approaching the “wrong” person. I’m also apprehensive about being a leader, which I fear is actually called for in this situation since I don’t see anyone else stepping up to take a swing around here.

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3 points

9 months ago

The question you’re asking is probably the most important question that needs to be asked right now. How to organize and how to find like minded people is something that’s the first step towards any real change.

I can’t help you with the specifics since I have no idea what the situation is like in your area. In my city there are a number of socialist orgs, and they meet face to face. I definitely think any actual serious organizing needs to happen offline, and if people can’t be bothered to make even the effort to meet in person it’s safe to say they’re not really serious about effecting any actual change. Perhaps look if there are organizations that meet up to do mutual aid, help homeless people, and so on. There must be shelters where people volunteer at to help. Getting involved and talking with people like that would be a good start.

If there really is nothing around you and you genuinely feel motivated enough to organize people then stepping up might be the thing to do. To do that you have to first figure out what your politics actually are. How you think things should work, how they work now, why the problems you see exist, and how you think they should be solved. It’s also worth thinking about why current movements in US are failing and what you think needs to be done differently to succeed. The reality is that there are millions of people just like yourself who are in the same situation as you. And as long as people stay atomized and isolated, then they stay powerless.

Unfortunately, there’s no recipe that you can follow here, and there’s no guarantee of success. This is a process of trying things, evaluating the results, and iterating on what you’re doing. Good news is that there are lots of examples of successful worker movements around the world that can be learned from. There are no easy answers here, but the only way that’s guaranteed to fail is to do nothing but vote every 4 years.

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1 point

9 months ago

No recipes, but some Excellent suggestions here. I’m thankful you took the time to write all that.

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Habahnow@sh.itjust.works

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9 months ago

They’re either not going to respond, or provide a solution which helps Trump (“vote third party”, “Don’t vote!”).

The 2 party system of the US is what’s causing this issue. If there was a way for multiple parties to exist in the US, Biden would have to worry about a non Trump candidate who would advocate for all the similar things as him, while also agreeing that what Israel is doing is genocide.

The reality is: either vote Biden to push for a Democratic president who is slowly moving towards criticizing Israel, or vote for Trump to push a Republican president who would probably be completely fine with Israel’s genocide so long as Netanyahu say’s he’s a nice guy.

Palestinians pushing to oust Biden are either knowingly or unknowingly pushing to have continued genocide under the leadership of a republican president.

Regardless, I feel for the Palestinian people’s frustrations. The US is providing support for genocide, even if the Biden administration and congress are slowly beginning to criticize Israel.

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-1 points

9 months ago

🤡

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Habahnow@sh.itjust.works

0 points

9 months ago

I guess you’re trying to insult me. Feel free to correct me. Otherwise your lack of a real response just proves me right.

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1 point

9 months ago

The reality is that it doesn’t matter how many parties you have. What matters is whose interests these parties represent, which is governed by who has actual political leverage. In pretty much every western society, large capitalists are the ones who control the political system. These are the people who own the media, pay for political campaigns, lobbying, and other forms of political influence. The working majority has little leverage within a system where money plays such a disproportionate role. The political system is built by the class that holds power in society and it’s built to function in the interest of this class.

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Habahnow@sh.itjust.works

0 points

9 months ago

I’ll agree that the wealthy have more control and influence than the average person. That said, multiple parties at least makes it more expensive and difficult to influence politicians. As it is now, you only have to contribute to 1 of 2 parties in order to push your agenda. If there were 3 or 6, you’d need to push several in order to gain the same amount of control.

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0 points

9 months ago

We have over a century of evidence that it’s not difficult at all to influence politicians, especially when there’s practically no working class representation in politics. Also, when you have a bunch of parties then they all just pull things in different directions making it nearly impossible to do any sort of long term planning. This is why a lot of large infrastructure projects China is able to do are basically impossible in the west.

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0 points

9 months ago

or vote for Trump to push a Republican president who would probably be completely fine with Israel’s genocide so long as Netanyahu say’s he’s a nice guy.

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pudcollar [he/him]@hexbear.net

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6 points

9 months ago

Overthrowing capitalism.

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