I’ve worked with some pretty rotten software, but management software is easily the most user unfriendly, so my vote goes to HPSM.

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I hate Teams, give me Slack

Edit: I left an optional team in teams, and still got a notification for a meeting that isn’t on my calendar, my meetings page, nor do I have access to in any other way.

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IMO Teams beats all the others on video calling specifically. But everything else it does worse than its competition. The message boards and chat features are abysmal.

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I beg to differ. I’m jumping over from a Zoom workplace to a Teams workplace, and Teams is trash. Worse video, worse audio, worse connectivity, fewer end user features, etc. The only thing that’s nice is how it archives meeting chats and recordings.

It’s only used because it’s basically free with enterprise office.

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Interesting, teams has the worst video call quality I’ve ever seen. Trying to pair program is painful, can’t move too fast or the other person will miss what you did since the screen share frame rate is like 5.

Same VPN connection on slack, no noticeable lag, high frame rate, and very crisp resolution.

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Teams beats all the others of video calling specifically.

That’s because it’s Skype. MS bought them and integrated it into Teams.

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Early on, Teams was kinda doing it’s own thing and it wasn’t half bad. Then, Microsoft shut down Skype for Business (formerly Lync) and brought most of that team over with all of their baggage. Feature development for Teams went to absolute hell after that point.

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FOSDEM 2021 was hosted on Matrix. After that exp no other meetsing app lives up to it. I just want seemless chat with presentation and seemless break out rooms again.

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Did fosdem not go back to matrix in 22 and 23? Why not?

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The background noise surpression of Teams is peak quality (vs Webex and Slack, though Webex is somewhat good)…

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When our company annoucned the switch to Teams I actually offered to pay for the slack licence out of my own pocket instead. But the boss insisted we need the onedrive integration or some shit and declined.

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Yeah that was BS. Boss was told to say anything other than “to save money”. That’s the entire value prop for Teams.

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“it’s included in the licenses we already pay for”

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24 points

Teams tries to do too much.

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I had this same discussion at work. My employer is full office 365 and SharePoint for everything. Teams is a catch-all app that does a lot, but none of it well.

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The file sharing aspect drives me crazy

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Fine but why can’t I ever find my chats back? There’s so many damn channels and they each have threads that make it even more difficult to find your way I see a channel in my unread area, then I open it, and if I click away, now I can’t find it anymore. Annoys me to no end. How do people deal with this? So many different chats, it’s insane.

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There’s a bit of configuration for the channel list that you can do to keep what you want where you want. Sounds like you have a section set to only show unread, that’s a setting. Also, there are back and forward keys (and shortcuts for them too) to move between a series of chats like a browser.

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Teams can’t even set up groups within the chat window other than Pinned. What trash is that? Microsoft has a great track record of taking capabilities from earlier tools or versions and removes them.

I’m looking at you message auto preview ONLY for unread messages.

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9 points

Teams has absolute dogshit annotation. Literally takes years to start it and then you can’t move or change your screen as the presenter

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I detest slack, teams is better (but that’s a low bar) lol

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16 points

Now that is an unpopular opinion!

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4 points

Yes! I’ve finally done it!

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As a messenger, this is objectively wrong. There may be some less than obvious customization options in slack, but it is so much more robust for messaging.

I mean, threads alone put slack in a whole other league.

If you’re being serious, I’d really like to know what you dislike about slack. It’s been a minute since I used it as my daily driver, but I find myself quite frequently irritated about not having enough control.

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I hate Slack, give me Mattermost or Rocket.Chat

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I will look into these

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Looked at all of these, chose Lark.

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Did you check the calender in Teams? Not to be confused with the calender in Outlook, which may or may not overlap.

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You must have a nice well maintained slack instance. We just migrated to it from teams and they’ve added me to 50 + channels some with thousands of people and the whole program churns. It doesn’t send timely notifications or sometimes none at all. If I leave any of the bogus channels I get automatically added back. Nobody wants to use it we all want teams back. The worst part is it only keeps DM history for two weeks our teams would keep history for years.

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The last point is purely a configuration thing. Our Teams instance only keeps DMs for I think 30ish days – legal wants to minimize the surface area of discoverable material. Same reason our Exchange instance nukes emails over 12 months old unless you manually move them to an archive.

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Adding people back to channels is definitely an admin choice. 2 weeks history is a plan limit, I think only the free tier has it.

You can mute channels / go @s only, create new channels for whatever needs you have. Hopefully you can find a way to make it more usable within the confines of your admins config. Also note, the config may not even be intentional, so it may be worth reaching out to IT

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I’m slowly starting to live with it and it’s getting better the more channels I mute and group. The notification issue is still real though I’ve adjusted quite a few settings to get it working better. Including disabling mobile notifications and making slack use it’s own notification system and not the system integrated one for Windows. The automation opportunities that exist are exciting too but will take us a while to flesh out.

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