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That’s a whole lot of assumptions, ad hominems and straight up insults. Reporting a student will not bring about a global revolution, get a grip. I’m not even going to bother responding to your rage-filled post.
Reporting a student will not bring about a global revolution, get a grip. I’m not even going to bother responding to your rage-filled post.
Yeah that user is… uh, I’m speechless.
Speechless because you have no arguments? Just insults. See I can be abrasive, but I wouldn’t just call you a name, I’d call you something and then illustrate why you were wrong and why it fits, I’d bring arguments from my corner when making the point.
I couldn’t care less if you personally think she shouldn’t be reported. I probably wouldn’t bother myself due to the risks associated with contacting foreign intelligence. That’s not the point per se.
Because it changes nothing of the fact that “lol don’t be a snitch” is not a Marxist attitude and is one deserving of being called out and clowned on. Is not the attitude of a communist. It’s one that deserves rebuke and perhaps can give some food for thought.
Our goal is to smash our enemies and uphold friendly parties and defend revolutions, that includes those of our allies or for out of power Marxists in the west the actually existing socialist states. Take a different take on this situation, same girl is in trouble with US police, going to prison in the US for a few years over a crime they think they’ve got her cold on, I have evidence that could exonerate. I’d not bring it forward, I’d let her rot. You might call that hate. But isn’t shooting fascists (which no one here would argue with) hate? Isn’t that even more violent and liberty depriving? Isn’t having socialist police crowd control and detain liberals trying to do a color revolution hate by the same logic? How many steps removed before it’s okay? Where is the line drawn and by what logic?
All liberalism and anti-communism everywhere is a threat to communism and the proletariat everywhere. There are of course degrees. Do not assume I am saying that a fascist war criminal who has killed communists with his own hands and works for western intelligence is no worse than this girl or that she’s the same as the runner of a propaganda outlet that’s funded by NED. And there are degrees of response by in-power communist parties to these things. But the fact remains they are all threats, all can give way to the other, rise from one to the other, work with the other, etc and should not be categorically declared entirely different.
My point is if you people recoil in horror, cringe, cry, flinch, wring your hands at the prospect of some tiny, minor problems being created in some random self-hating Chinese liberal’s life (like questioning at the airport back home or electronic surveillance) because of her choices (informed choices by the way given she didn’t grow up in the western propaganda machine like me and many here). How on earth are you going to fight and win a revolution? How on earth could you defend a revolution? You’d let the lives of those who fought for a revolution be wasted.
Oh no, she might be sat in a room and grilled for a few hours (as tons of Chinese are by the US simply for their nationality), oh no she might never work for state industries or get into the party and those close to her might be given more scrutiny, the horror, the oppression. How could mean old me ruin her life like this!
Do you not see that from liberalism and fascism are the same. That from benign things like the type of bullshit this girl is alleged to be spouting grow counter-revolution, grow reactionary/fascist terror squads, terror attacks, murders of communists, sabotaging of labor movements, crushing of socialist countries. People like her had a hand in destroying the Soviet Union. The immense suffering of the Russian people is the exact kind of thing she and those like her, if victorious would bring to the Chinese people. The exploitation of children, the suicide rates, the plundering of the nation, it’s people, its resources. You stay your hand, you allow them latitude, you allow them to nibble away, to salami-slice away with slightly escalating tactics until the moment comes when their violence springs forth and unlike you they have no pity, they do not waver or hesitate or consider if it might hurt you or others.
I have love and pity in my heart for the proletariat, for my comrades. For billions of human beings whose lives socialism can improve. I do not have room for that for liberals like this, for self-hating traitorous people with poison in their veins and lies from their mouths. I don’t care to pathologize and muse on the psychology. They are impediments, they are enemies. They are not worth trying to fix when that time is so much better spent on unconvinced members of the proletariat.
Your anger and passion, while commendable, is misdirected. We’re not your enemies.
Well your take upsets me. It is wrong, dangerous and like all liberalism should be called out.
Global revolution. What a flippant, ridiculous response. What a myopic response. That the only things worth doing are those that immediately smash that communism button, that global communism button and if things don’t do that they’re not worth doing. People with that thinking have been backstabbing and sabotaging real gains for the proletariat for a hundred years. You want to leap to the finish line but that’s not how it works. You want magic not Marxism, you want tolerance for counter-revolution, for the people who commit genocides, who subjugate the working class, who commit a thousand horrible, mind-tearing horrors upon humanity under their system.
They had made their bed, let them reap the consequences. My pity is for the workers.
Idealism is an infection you must fight. If you want to object to the idea that China needs this info, go ahead, I agree that’s debatable though I think no modern spy agency is ever going to say “too much info” in the computerized age where plotting networks of people and interactions, metadata is the primary way of understanding and finding targets of real interest (NSA for example mainly scrapes and saves metadata, not content, but relationships, times, people, places). But that’s not what you said, what you said was that snitching was bad. Steps, process. What are they? What is historical development? What is building things slowly but surely? What is guarding the revolution? What is countering liberalism at every step and why must we do that? Why must we not allow a bit of liberalism to remain in stock people like you claim, what harm can it cause. An individual is only part of a group that becomes a whole. An individual liberal is not a threat, a group of liberals are but one cannot arrest just the group while leaving the individuals on their way, one cannot surveil the group without the individuals.
How does revisionism and counter-revolution start anyways? It starts with making little allowances, with giving an inch, with saying “oh what’s the harm of this person or that” until they’re everywhere and until the structure is rotten and the USSR’s collapse is what you get.
Mao’s “Combat Liberalism” has some good thoughts on this subject.
Well your take upsets me. It is wrong, dangerous and like all liberalism should be called out.
I made a general post against snitching, you then went on and made a bunch of assumptions:
Why then do you hate China? Why do you hate an in-power communist party?
That’s a leap, isn’t it. I hate snitching therefore I hate China and its communist party. lol what?
Global revolution. What a flippant, ridiculous response.
That’s what you said!
Do you think a revolution will succeed or endure in the face of external attempts at overthrow, pressure, etc without snitching?
You didn’t specify which revolution, so I assumed you’re talking about a global revolution.
Then you go on to make more assumptions:
You want magic not Marxism, you want tolerance for counter-revolution, for the people who commit genocides, who subjugate the working class, who commit a thousand horrible, mind-tearing horrors upon humanity under their system.
I want all that because I think snitching is bad?
You don’t want a discussion, and you’re not answering sincerely. You saw an opportunity to virtue signal and rant about all sorts of things that have nothing to do with me or what I said.
You don’t want a discussion, and you’re not answering sincerely. You saw an opportunity to virtue signal and rant about all sorts of things that have nothing to do with me or what I said.
Bet you that person couldn’t even organize the documents on their desk, let alone a global revolution. That person sounds like a future George Orwell to me not gonna lie… Or maybe they’re just some edgy 15 year old genzdong’er debatebro
