Comment by Melkath@kbin.social on A New York Times reporter was asked why they consistently frame things as bad for Biden but never bad for Trump.

“I think what you’re reacting to is that, at the moment, Biden is an unpopular president seeking a second term while Trump is a popular figure inside his party who is winning primary races. I wouldn’t necessarily compare the two.”

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Post Citizens United/Hilary democrats are just as bad in that rite.

The media sounds neutral on Trump because noone is surprised. The media is mostly silent on Biden because there is nothing to say other than ‘experts say he is slightly better than Trump’.

to be fair you’re talking to a hillary democrat and id vote for her again if i could. she would have been a great president.

Hilary was the one that got Trump elected in the primaries so she would have a better chance at winning. When Wikileaks leaked that, they bribed Ecaudor billions to get Assange in jail. Vote for Hilary is a vote for her tactics, getting worse Radical candidates and journalists reporting on it in jail.

While I think what she did was wrong, you can do the right thing and get the wrong outcome. You can also do the wrong thing and get a good outcome.

My point is we should judge all politicians on the totality of their actions. Hilary would have been a good president, if flawed, just like any other good president. Trump was and would be a terrible president. He brings shame to the role and minimises the plight of those that suffer with his childish and petty nature.

How can a politician that manipulates free elections and risking so much the lives of the many, for her own benefit, be a good president. She is obviously selfish and manipulative. She Got the worst possible candidate to be a Republican nominie just so she doesn’t have to let someone else more popular in her party be candidate.

Agreed, Clinton was terrible. I knew a few people who came from Honduras during the years after she engineered the coup there if that gives you some idea what I think of her.

I have low hopes in general for the Democrats; that’s why it was so surprising when Biden actually turned out to be quite good.

If Hilary was president rather than Trump, millions of people would not have died of Covid. That’s good in my book. She may not be a good person, but she would have been a good and effective president.

Manipulation implies what she did was nefarious. Like her opposition, that actively manipulated, conspired with the enemy, against the law, and then started a coup.

If that’s your bar for what qualifies as a ‘good president’, then your opinion is worthless

Hilary, just like Trump, is a rich person shill and would do anything to get corporations that are losing money from lockdown to get what they want. She is no better, she got Trump as a primary Republican candidate in her pied piper strategy just because she knew she would certainly lose if someone more reasonable would have been a Republican candidate.

Yup, great for lobbyists, wall street, and the military industrial complex.

Like Biden.

Progressives have killed the democrat party.

You are left-wing, correct? Good leftist who’s just upset with Biden for not being left enough?

I ask because I have literally never heard a left wing person say “Democrat party”.

Well, in the better times, Democrats called themselves liberals.

They stopped genocides, they didn’t enable them.

Hilary refused to call herself a liberal (because she is a conservative) and lost to Obama bringing the word “Progressive” back to to the party and killing the term “Liberal”.

I was a liberal democrat. Now I am a disenfranchised fuck you all, don’t commit genocide, don’t subsidize billionaires, shelter and feed the homeless, make housing affordable again guy.

Ah yes, all those OG Democrats with their humane and sensible Israel policy. As an old-school left wing person like you, I remember them well. Which ones were your favorites?

Y’all remember Kennedy and how he called for the end of the Vietnam War? Yeah, me neither.

Both parties have always had pretty shitty international policy, but at least one of those parties actually wants to govern and participate in democracy.

but when you look at actions in his control (outside of congress), biden has been one of the most progressive, pro union democrats in recent history

I’m trying not to bring it up because I don’t want just a sprawling argument about everything, but after Biden “union busted” the rail workers, his labor department kept working the issue and got the workers their sick days anyway. Like a lot of the quippy little criticisms, “union busting” has a lot more to do with cherry-picking one event people are familiar with and trying to create a Biden-is-bad picture out of it, than it does with reality.

Or to put another way every year Biden’s been in office, union membership has risen by a tiny amount, after having fallen by a tiny amount every single year that the last guy was in office. If he’s trying to do union busting he’s doing a pretty shitty job at it.

He codified, in law, that they couldnt strike, and then made private one time not codified deals with the owners after the fact.

It isnt cherry picking, it is observing the whole truth and not chomping at the bit to spout Democrat spin.

I remember in 2022 when Biden passed the 1926 Railway Labor Act(PDF link).

“We finally got a raise after far too long!!! Praise Biden?”

sets watch for 3 years when they fully understand they have no recourse to force negotiation

Passing legislation that prevents railway workers from protesting and in turn working out a private deal where they get a one time raise that isnt codified in law is pro union?

Yes, that is progressivism. Its being crony conservative, but Democrat.

Damn… I am just taken aback by your take. Eat up their lies, keep your eyes as tightly shut as possible.

Which were your favorite pro-Palestinian establishment Democrats from back in the day, again?

I’m sure the story you told about how you used to support them but now they’ve turned into Israel-enablers and so you can’t anymore was just you relaying the truth of what had happened. Not just sneakily plausible-sounding messaging that doesn’t correspond to your actual political history. So which ones?

Well, Bill Clinton bombed the fuck out of Serbia to end the Croatian genocide, and a ton of people supported that.

That sounded right.

Now Biden is sending massive amounts of the public trust to Israel so they can spend that money to buy the ammunition that is committing genocide on Palestine, and the Democrats CENSURED a Democrat who dissented.

My viewpoint isn’t pro-Palestine. My viewpoint is con-genocide. And the 2 party system rang true when Reds wanted slaughter and Blues wanted peace.

Now that Dems want genocide, I have no party. We need something else.

… but no form of annual or cost of living wage increases went through congress.

Give a starving man a fish and he will call you a god. Ban him from ever fishing again and wait 3 days… reap what you sow.

Being pro-worker for a tepid neoliberal is like being woke for a member of the GOP. While better than outright fascism, of course, liberalism is inherently anti-worker and pro-Capitalist. Biden has been giving band-aids to gaping stab wounds and running victory laps, without attempting to meaningfully address the root cause.

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