Joe Biden suddenly leads Donald Trump in multiple polls(www.newsweek.com)

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Linkerbaan@lemmy.world

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6 months ago

Not at all. Saudi and Egypt are already American dogs. If anything israel turns their population against the ruling class.

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Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world

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6 months ago

They’re the most friendly nation in that area to us, even more so than the oil producing countries, and we rely on them for security for access to that oil.

Saudi and Egypt are already American dogs.

There’s a huge difference, security wise, between Israel, and Saudi Arabia / Egypt.

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Linkerbaan@lemmy.world

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6 months ago

Do you know how many American bases are in Saudi Arabia? It’s a lot more than you’d expect.

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Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world

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6 months ago

Do you know how many American bases are in Saudi Arabia?

I do. It’s not a matter of quantity of bases. It’s a matter of a friendship relationship, versus just a working relationship, and the amount of access and cooperation that each gives.

Are you aware of how much work and cooperation the CIA and the Mossad do together, and the access to the region through Israeli that the CIA has, to maintain access to oil rich fields in the region? No, you don’t, and neither do I, which is my point.

You’re not going to hand wave away Israeli infrastructure cooperation with the US.

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Linkerbaan@lemmy.world

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6 months ago

America just as well controls the Egyptian secret service.

In the past israel might have been an asset. Now they are a liability.

The only real reason America still supports them is because they have bought all of congress. The other “benefits” do not outweigh the costs.

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Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world

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6 months ago

You’re absolutely not wrong with the fact that Israel has one hell of a lobbying effort inside of the US government, and then many if not most politicians are afraid of it, I’ll definitely give you that.

Though having just said that, I just watched on CNN Senator Schumer calling publicly for Netanyahu to be replaced and for new elections to happen in Israel, that Netanyahu no longer fits the needs of Israel. So that Israeli lobby is not all powerful, apparently.

But I still can’t really agree with you on the other point. I believe the US is involved with Israel infrastructure-to-infrastructure wise, for security reasons, and because of that we can’t really just dismiss Israel out of hand (and they know it).

I will wrap up our conversation by saying this. I really do wish that, as a citizen, we didn’t have all these dependencies in other parts of the world, where there’s moral/ethical problematic issues that we have to hold our nose for, to keep those dependencies working.

I do personally believe in doing the right thing, and would want the country in which I belong to to be the same way.

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