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And now there’s a precedent set to help stop with your school shootings America, everytime an underage person gets hold of and uses a gun on other people, you can now charge the parents, once a couple more go down you watch how quickly people start properly securing their guns away or more on the extreme side, just give most of them up.

You have something to help stop school shootings, please use it America, it’s too saddening seeing how many children die at your school’s when it could be dealt with just be properly securing your guns away from children.

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You’ve got some crazy wishful thinking if you think this is enough for people to give up their guns.

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All I want is for people to properly secure their guns at best and not let their hormone filled children gain access to them.

We have shit loads of guns in Australia still, we just don’t have it so any billy bob can go down and get a military spec assault rifle to “defend their home”.

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No we don’t. And that was the solution to the problem, take rid of them

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Hmm better make a reminder about this before I head into work as a district attorney

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Yeah you’d better especially if you’re a shitty parent giving an emotionally troubled teen access to a weapon, you’ll end up with a special prosecutor rightfully charging your ass.

Remember Mr prosecutor this guy’s wife thought it was more important to get finger banged by her lover instead of helping her child in crisis. They’re trash people.

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This case will cause a chilling effect but in a backward sort of way. The reality is that nobody is likely to be convicted in the way Crumbley was, because Crumbley was so unbelievably stupid it was literally criminal. So the only people who will be convicted under this precedent are the equally stupid.

But more intelligent parents will take note, get scared, and hopefully lock up their guns so their insane kids can’t use them to shoot up the school.

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Yeah I was iffy on the charges until I heard the details. From what I’ve heard the crumbleys were negligent on a level that’s difficult to sufficiently express

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Actually the level of ignorance is easy to express, if you’re William Faulkner. There are vast swaths of humanity that are dumb as fucking rocks. It’s not polite to talk about but as someone involved in education admin, there are these kinds of parents EVERYWHERE. I’ve literally sat in disciplinary appeals where the parents try to explain that their child HAD to have a concealed dagger for protection. In a k-12 school with 400 kids total, no school resource officers/popo, no fights, highly involved parents, etc. Um, no, your child is expelled and I’m slightly terrified that they’ll shoot us up when they turn 20 and start going schizto.

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More Intelligent parents probably wouldn’t have guns at home in the first place you sure this is going to change anything?

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For many people, guns are used for sport (hunting). In rural areas, this is very common. Some people are just paranoid and feel the need to be armed. It’s not stupid in its own right. If the owner of the gun knows how to secure it properly and takes the appropriate precautions, it can be safe to store firearms in a house. The problem is that too many people who own guns let their egos get too big and are neglectful of gun safety or downright stupid. That’s when problems arise.

There is real nuance to this issue. Don’t try to dumb it down to “gun owners are idiots”.

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Yeah there’s already the worst possible thing as the potential outcome so really can’t see adding a tiny part to it will change anything. No one is thinking ‘well as long as he’s only shooting up the school I’ll let him play with the guns’ they’re thinking ‘I’m really smart and nothing bad will ever happen’.

I’m not saying it isn’t a good idea because maybe it will stop one or two kids becoming killers which is more than worth it, though it’s dangerous too if the kid decides it’s how he’ll get his revenge by doing a shooting and leaving a note saying his stepdad helped

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Just another reason to not waste time with guns. The risk-benefit just isn’t there.

People want to feel in control and I get that. Take a natural disaster like a wildfire or something. It’s pretty much entirely out of your control. In a burglary, robbery, etc., it too is out of your control you just don’t realize it. The events leading up to that were set in stone in some failure in the assailant’s life, society, etc.

Everyone thinks a gun will make them safer but study after study shows the added risks from a variety of vectors outweighs the alleged safety that comes from possessing one.

In essence, if people had a special device that deterred the one in a million wildfire somehow but that device subsequently elevated the risk of your family being hurt in some other way to a greater degree who would rationally possess such a device?

It concerns me that there seems to be an obvious astroturfed effort to “arm the left” that reflects the ProPublics investigation on right-wing extremists seeking to muddy the waters between the sides and sow a civil / race war. The only people jumping in glee from this are firearm manufacturers who see a new market to tap.

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It concerns me that there seems to be an obvious astroturfed effort to “arm the left”

Riiiight… because the only way the left could possibly ever arm itself is because of astroturfing, right?

Somehow, I don’t think you know what left means, genius.

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You already have that device it’s called matches or a car.

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