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This case will cause a chilling effect but in a backward sort of way. The reality is that nobody is likely to be convicted in the way Crumbley was, because Crumbley was so unbelievably stupid it was literally criminal. So the only people who will be convicted under this precedent are the equally stupid.

But more intelligent parents will take note, get scared, and hopefully lock up their guns so their insane kids can’t use them to shoot up the school.

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Yeah I was iffy on the charges until I heard the details. From what I’ve heard the crumbleys were negligent on a level that’s difficult to sufficiently express

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Actually the level of ignorance is easy to express, if you’re William Faulkner. There are vast swaths of humanity that are dumb as fucking rocks. It’s not polite to talk about but as someone involved in education admin, there are these kinds of parents EVERYWHERE. I’ve literally sat in disciplinary appeals where the parents try to explain that their child HAD to have a concealed dagger for protection. In a k-12 school with 400 kids total, no school resource officers/popo, no fights, highly involved parents, etc. Um, no, your child is expelled and I’m slightly terrified that they’ll shoot us up when they turn 20 and start going schizto.

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Just another reason to not waste time with guns. The risk-benefit just isn’t there.

People want to feel in control and I get that. Take a natural disaster like a wildfire or something. It’s pretty much entirely out of your control. In a burglary, robbery, etc., it too is out of your control you just don’t realize it. The events leading up to that were set in stone in some failure in the assailant’s life, society, etc.

Everyone thinks a gun will make them safer but study after study shows the added risks from a variety of vectors outweighs the alleged safety that comes from possessing one.

In essence, if people had a special device that deterred the one in a million wildfire somehow but that device subsequently elevated the risk of your family being hurt in some other way to a greater degree who would rationally possess such a device?

It concerns me that there seems to be an obvious astroturfed effort to “arm the left” that reflects the ProPublics investigation on right-wing extremists seeking to muddy the waters between the sides and sow a civil / race war. The only people jumping in glee from this are firearm manufacturers who see a new market to tap.

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It concerns me that there seems to be an obvious astroturfed effort to “arm the left”

Riiiight… because the only way the left could possibly ever arm itself is because of astroturfing, right?

Somehow, I don’t think you know what left means, genius.

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Hahah, quoting Marx when – tell me – how popular is Marx anyway in the US? Going to give you a hint and note that the figure is somewhere <=1%.

That you believe Marx speaks for every leftist in America in some strangely divine authoritarian reference… Allllriiighty, then, genius.

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You already have that device it’s called matches or a car.

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This is not as clever as you believe it to be.

I particularly use a car on the daily whose primary purpose is to take me from point-A to point-B. You know, the part where I said Risk-Benefit…?

Tell me what the primary use of a firearm in my home is on a daily-basis other than being an active risk.

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More Intelligent parents probably wouldn’t have guns at home in the first place you sure this is going to change anything?

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For many people, guns are used for sport (hunting). In rural areas, this is very common. Some people are just paranoid and feel the need to be armed. It’s not stupid in its own right. If the owner of the gun knows how to secure it properly and takes the appropriate precautions, it can be safe to store firearms in a house. The problem is that too many people who own guns let their egos get too big and are neglectful of gun safety or downright stupid. That’s when problems arise.

There is real nuance to this issue. Don’t try to dumb it down to “gun owners are idiots”.

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Trust me, my rural neighbors on all fucking sides of me aren’t hunting with the ARs they start shooting the fucking moment the get home from church on Sundays. And given the number of stray bullet incidents, they ain’t Boy Scouts either.

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Some people are just paranoid and feel the need to be armed.

Yep idiots. In a normal country wouldn’t be allowed to own a deadly weapon. Maybe I am pushing it a bit too far because all other countries have hunters and a tiny fraction of the population with a good reason to own a firearm, but gun owners are idiots is a food enough approximation.

Also, you can store a nuclear weapon safely in a house doesn’t mean any idiot should have one.

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Yeah there’s already the worst possible thing as the potential outcome so really can’t see adding a tiny part to it will change anything. No one is thinking ‘well as long as he’s only shooting up the school I’ll let him play with the guns’ they’re thinking ‘I’m really smart and nothing bad will ever happen’.

I’m not saying it isn’t a good idea because maybe it will stop one or two kids becoming killers which is more than worth it, though it’s dangerous too if the kid decides it’s how he’ll get his revenge by doing a shooting and leaving a note saying his stepdad helped

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