This is so catastrophically problematic on so many levels. “Conservative” or “right” are valid and legitimate political orientations, just like “left” is. Posts like this that suggest that a political view is wrong are just so closed-minded and fundementally intolerant. These always seem to disregard that there is a disagreement because of ideology and always suggest that “the conservatives’” opinion is of any less value than their own. What the heck?
“I want a fiscally conservative tax policy” is a valid political opinion.
“I think trans people are grooming kids” “I think the election was rigged” “I think women shouldn’t have total control over their bodies”
Those are not. Those are bigoted bullshit beliefs hiding as political opinions.
Your entire comment actually boils down to “you are bad for not tolerating the intolerant!” …and you can fuck all of the way off with that.
“think trans people are grooming kids”
Thats just an insult, not an actual belief.
“I think the election was rigged”
How is this not an opinion? Do you think the elections in russia are unquestionably fair?
“I think women shouldn’t have total control over their bodies”
Nobody has total control, that was never up for debate, it’s just a question of where you draw the line. You can’t consume heroin, for example. If you’re holding a baby in your arms, you dont have the “total freedom” to drop it. Similarly, it’s a valid ethical debate if and when an embrio is concidered another living being. You might say “control over their body”, someone else might say “it’s not their body, it’s that of another human”.
Your entire comment assumes that “the others” are intolerant and you are the tolerant saint. The truth is, what is tolerant depends on your morals and is thus subjective. Tolerating other’s opinions is a fundemental requirement for a democracy, with the exception of opinions that are anti-democratic. Not tolerating a whole political view, however, has nothing to do with that. That would just means being an intolerant asshole and claiming that one’s own political beliefs are the only ones that are correct.
Trans are grooming: It is an insult and LITERALLY what the US conservatives are running on. You need to understand this.
Elections: We aren’t talking about Russian elections.
Abortions: Read “A defence of abortion” by Judith Jarvis and get back to me. But before you do, stop acting like “you don’t have the right to drop a baby onto the floor!” is remotely in the ballpark of an apt comparison. Fuck off with that nonsense too.
Agreed. This is a terrible take. Is basically implying “both sides are the same”, a staple in the ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM group but they’re not. Blue side wants to maintain the status quo and maybe, very slightly, make light progressive changes (but again very small changes) while red side is trying to destroy social safety nets (cutting socials security), women’s autonomy (roe vs wade and more) and democracy itself (Jan 6). That’s not to mention that Republicans for the most part built their ideology based off hate. Their drive comes from reactionary outrage.
Democrats: “Stop genocide now!”
Republicans: “We won’t stop the genocide!”
Centrists: “Can’t we find a middle ground here? How about just a little genocide?”
Republicans: “I guess we’re okay with that.”
Democrats: “No!”
Centrists: “Wow, so much for the tolerant left!”
I mean, while I sort of agree with you on one hand, on the other hand I saw conservatives try to overthrow democracy and successfully overturn roe v wade recently so…
Yeah but extremes on either side of the spectrum try to overthrow democracy. We have to fight the extremes but not the whole political orientation.
I just looked up Roe V Wade (I’m not from the US) and it appears that it was recently overturned by a federal court. A court does not make the laws, so overturning an older case means, as fas as I know, correcting the decision on laws that they have to follow, no matter if they like it or not. If you want a law on abortion, you should get the parliament to pass such a law IMO.
Generally, if someone’s methdology is unacceptable, that doesn’t invalidate their political views and certainly not the whole political orientation.
Its easy to have this opinion when you’re not a US citizen, you don’t have the same frame of reference as we do for a conversation involving our own government. Especially considering that in the US left/right dont even exist, we have right/far right, there is no left in our country, this is just how the conversation is framed so we can trick ourselves into thinking that there is a more progessive party to vote for. When an American says “right” or “conservative” they mean the people who identify as such in our country, those people are actually extremely far right, usually Christian nationalists. We essentially have a government that is setup so your vote is for “The continuing unrestricted rampage of capitalism on the working class” and “were going to see what a dictatorship by an orange dipshit is like”
The court does make the laws now because a conservative Congress illegally delayed SCOTUS appointments and rushed others so the conservative president was able to stack it with wildly unqualified conservative justices. Their guy also did an insurrection. 1/3 of the court are appointments from an insurrectionist who tried to bribe a foreign country to smear his political opponent. All conservatives are totally fine with all of that.
Yeah but extremes on either side of the spectrum try to overthrow democracy.
Well you say that but in recent memory only one side actually has tried. I don’t think it’s really fair to “both sides” this when one has and one hasn’t.
Please show me an example of extreme Democrats trying to overthrow the US. This just isn’t the case and there is no “both sides” on this issue. The current conservative party in the US is not actually a conservative party. It is fear mongering bigotry and authoritarianism. Full stop. So stop acting like anyone is against the standard “progressive vs conservative” debate. We are outside of that normal.