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58 points

This is what these non GMO types always seem to forget: we’ve been modifying the crap out of everything for the past thousands of years. We’re now justuch more efficient and smart about it.

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7 points

Manufacturing gmo’s is not the same thing as selective breeding

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7 points

How so

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4 points

An arbitrary distinction based on timeline and ease of methodology

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-17 points

Sealioning?

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8 points

You’re right. It’s far more precise, quick, and predictable.

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3 points

What’s the difference?

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This is what these non GMO types always seem to forget

This is what these nauseating pro-GMO types always seem to forget - developing a food crop for thousands of years to become useful to humanity is not the same thing as destroying food security through capitalist monocropping with the aid of a few dodgy genes injected into something that never needed it in the first place.

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5 points

Yeah, all scientists are evil, all corporations are evil, all people working there are evil, it’s all evil.

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-8 points

Oh look… the bootlicker brigade has shown up.

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6 points

destroying food security through capitalist monocropping

This has very little to do with GMOs.

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-10 points

You want to claim that capitalists are (somehow) not the only people that stands to benefit from GMOs?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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3 points

Yes, while monocultures aren’t great, GMO crops just speed up the process you mentioned first. Developing a food crop over thousands of years. If we can speed up that process and generate better crops, why wouldn’t anyone want that?

The whole politics around GMOs and greedy companies is something I wish didn’t exist, but GMOs is the way to go.

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GMO crops just speed up the process you mentioned first.

No. It doesn’t. It shits all over the process I mentioned first and then it gets called “progress” by techbros like you.

If we can speed up that process and generate better crops, why wouldn’t anyone want that?

Why would we want that when our food crops have already been developed for us over thousands of years before our food supply was hijacked by a class of profiteering parasites?

Are you listening to yourself?

but GMOs is the way to go.

No. It isn’t. Unless you’re a fan of everybody but the ultra-rich suffering famine - then it’s pretty much a ready-made recipe for you.

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11 points

They always picture someone in a lab with syringes and special machines to “modify DNA”. Most of the time it’s just a couple of potted plants under a lamp and a cotton swab. For fruit trees, you’re pretty much just replacing a branch with another branch. Tape and staples might be involved.

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Genetically modified plants is very different from selective breeding. Selective breeding mimics the natural evolution process, removing natural selection and replacing it with human decisions.

Using a separate root stock from your fruiting trees isn’t genetic modification or breeding. It’s just taking desirable size features from a root stock and growing your desired fruit from that. It still remains two different plant, with two different DNAs. The fruit would produce a child of the fruit tree, the same as if it was grown from seed. If the root tree was allowed to flower it would create a seed the same as if it were never grafted.

GMO are an extremely useful technology. When well regulated and tested will help produce food for the growing world population. The big problems with it are the consequences of it. Plant have been modified to tolerate high doses of weed killer, pesticides and fertilisers. These all help increase the productivity of the land, but the impacts are terrible on the local environment. Residual weed killer and pesticide may pose a risk to human as well.

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-7 points

When well regulated and tested will help produce food for the growing world population.

No. It won’t.

The Bill Gates/Monsanto Bootlicker Brigade wants to pretend that it’s (somehow) the actual foodcrops we have at our disposal that is (somehow) “flawed” and therefore requires unnecessary and (thoroughly patentable) meddling to “fix” - but, like all capitalist “solutions” to the problems caused by capitalism, it is merely a disasterous (but profitable) distraction.

And, of course, this is quite apart from the fact that the right-wing histrionics about “population growth” has turned out like all other right-wing histrionics - false. In a few decades’ time, you’ll see these same capitalist bootlickers peddling the dubious wonders of GMOs now whining about population shrinkage.

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Thanks. Comments above yours are a bit disingenuous, trying to bunch up intrusive lab techniques with selective breeding. While the definition of GMO is pretty vague, let’s not pretend what Monsanto does is exactly the same as what Native Americans did.

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Do you think the Native Americans hundreds of years ago were wearing lab coats in clean rooms, CRISPRing fucking maize? Selective breeding is different than genetic modification. If you don’t even know what it is or what you’re talking about about AT ALL, to the point where you’re conflating two completely dissimilar terms, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.

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4 points

Hilariously ironic of you

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4 points

So you should indeed keep your opinion to yourself, then.

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7 points

GMO is not monocropping either.

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2 points

Monocropping sucks for other reasons

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6 points

Selective breeding is different than genetic modification.

Nope. Both are genetic modifications.

CRISPRing fucking maize?

Also not true. CRISPR is bacteria mechanism and is not used in plants.

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3 points

CRISPR would work for other organisms wouldn’t it?

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8 points

Sorry, but it doesn’t seem like you know what you’re talking about. It’s essentially the same process, the GMO process is just faster. Also, it was done well before CRISPR was a big thing.

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7 points

I know what you’re saying in a way but with crispr you can change single genes and have specific targets. A cross changes thousands of genes at a time

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10 points

Made me think immediately about GMO and non-GMO anti-science scaredy cats.

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