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See, I won’t do that because these sort of ultimatums are counter productive to the larger goal.

You’re blindly accepting ultimatums handed to us daily by moderate and liberals and then calling it out when we fight back. You’re trying to hold us to a different standard than liberal and moderate voters.

putting everything that HAS been gained at risk

Again, this is a two way street. If moderates and liberals aren’t willing to make material compromises with us they are also putting “everything that has been gained at risk”.

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What I accept is math, nothing more or less.

Take a basic presumption that things are near a 50/50 split but on the optimistic premise that Biden ends up with say 53% of the vote leaving 47%✓to Trump. Now this ‘movement’ comes along and convinces maybe 10% of those people to go some other direction because ‘Biden bad’ regardless of the issues with Trump.

You now get a 43/47/10 split, which given the nature of the electoral college actually ends up with a Trump landslide claiming the electors in multiple contested state.

Unless you are willing to say that Biden is at least as bad as or worse than Trump (in which case you may as well vote for Trump), or are convinced that you can get a near unanimous vote to go outside the nominated candidate for the Democrat party, then all your efforts does is support a Trump victory. Your personal morals being placated won’t do a thing to save Palestine, preserve rights for vulnerable populations, or anything else of consequence.

What this ends up as is essentially the ‘Bernie broes’ from 2016 who refused to support Clinton and helped get Trump a first term.

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You just sailed over everything I called you out on: You are holding progressives and leftists to a different standard than moderates and liberals.

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No, I’m simply reiterating the realities of today. The electoral college in all but 2 states as I last recalled awards all the state’s electors to whomever wins the simple majority in a state. If things where exactly 50/50 today and these protesting groups siphoned away votes specifically from Biden then you now hand Trump the state. It works the other way too.

Now if somehow these people siphoned an equal amount from both parties it becomes a wash and irrelevant, but since it’s a specifically anti-Biden effort that’s not likely the case.

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